Mentally Oddcast Transcript: Authors and Badasses Thorne and Cross
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Wednesday Lee Friday
You are listening to The Mentally Oddcast. My name is Wednesday, Lee Friday. Do find us on Ko-fi, that's K-O hyphen F-I, where we are sometimes hilarious horror. We can always use your support. This week, we are talking with Thorn and Cross. Oh, I'm so stoked. ah Tamara Thorne and Alistair Cross met.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
in an apocalyptic moment 15 years ago and have been collaborating ever since. They have produced two series, the Ravencrest Saga.
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and the Spite House Chronicles. plus standalone horror novels, including The Cliff House Haunting and Darling Girls. And they've also written the thriller Mother, which, as you can imagine, is my favorite. Alistair Cross writes the bestselling Vampires of Crimson Cove series, which book seven is arriving this fall. um And then he's written a couple of standalones.
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Tamara Thorne came on the scene in the early 2000s with bestsellers like Haunted and Moonfall and a bunch more. She is currently writing The Spiral Sea, which is the next book in the Old Wives Tale series. And we talked about that a bunch when I had you on as a solo guest, Tamara.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
which which you know i'm not telling you that because you don't know it i'm just saying Um, All right, so so welcome you two. I'm so delighted to have you both here.
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Alistair
Hello.
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Tamara
We're so delighted to be back.
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Alistair
Yes.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
well you know scheduling is always one of the trickiest parts of the show even when it's just one guest so getting the both of you here is a coup i'm so pleased um
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Tamara
yeah Good Lord.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
So, you know, we always start by asking guests about the first horror movie that they remember seeing, but you've already been on before, so I know both of you. years so um I guess what I want to know this week is what is the most recent horror movie that you have seen and enjoyed?
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Tamara
Um... I watched once again or Once Upon a Time in Hollywood the other night again. because I love watching the Madsen family get squished in the face and I don't feel guilty.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh nice, nice.
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Tamara
I don't know if that's horror or not.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Right?
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Tamara
Is it horror?
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Wednesday Lee Friday
um i would I would say that's probably horror adjacent.
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Alistair
Okay.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
I mean, it's certainly bloody like a horror movie.
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Tamara
mm-hmm
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but ah a reality where Stephen Parent gets to live, that's that's good stuff right there.
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Tamara
Yeah, it's it's really fun. just enjoying watching that violence. and feeling good about yourself.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, I feel that way about Inglorious Bastards.
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Tamara
Oh yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
You know? I watch it just just for that, for the Nazi stomping.
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
um
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Tamara
Yeah. Yeah it's good.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Because who doesn't love a little Nazi stomping? Well, I guess Nazis, but... I'm not concerned with their wants and needs.
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Tamara
ah Yeah, they they can go suck eggs.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
ah
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Alistair
They'll be fine. if
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
okay All right. What about you, Alistair?
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Alistair
Well, I'm trying to think of something new that I've seen and you know, I I can't think of anything Nothing comes to mind. The most recent that I've seen, and I watch it every year this season, is The Changeling.
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Alistair
It's, you know, the old 1980.
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Tamara
um
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Wednesday Lee Friday
The George C. Scott one.
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Alistair
Yes, yeah
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay.
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Tamara
of God.
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Alistair
Okay.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
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Alistair
That's the most recent one that I watched. I watched it last night, but I watch it every year and it's not new. but uh I just, this is one of my favorites. It's just... It's got that creepy quiet.
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Alistair
you know, order yeah, yeah.
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Tamara
it's So good
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yes, yes.
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, there are so many movies from that era that just have a very subtle...
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Alistair
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Creepy, slow burn. um burnt offerings is one of my favorites from that era you know you got your oliver reed your karen black betty davis i mean that's that's good good stuff right there and yeah the changeling is kind of the same because you got george c scott and isn't isn't marsha mason in that one
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Tamara
Amen.
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Alistair
Oh, yes. Yes.
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Tamara
Uh...
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Tamara
Oh. Yeah.
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Tamara
I think briefly. Oh.
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Alistair
Maybe.
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Tamara
She's one of the... historical society ladies
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Alistair
You know I just watched it last night, you'd think I'd know this, but I Thank you all.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, I think so I think so. a
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Tamara
well She was a minor one. Trish Vanderveer is the one. He ended up.
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Alistair
Yeah, that's who I keep thinking of.
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Tamara
or something, the poor woman. But. God, that's a good movie. And the music is really good too.
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Alistair
Yes.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, there was such care put into those those movies.
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Tamara
and the kid in the bathtub.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Like, I love low-budget horror. Love it.
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Made for TV horror or even made for YouTube youtube even better.
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Alistair
Yeah.
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Good. yeah i don't i think the score is one of those things that we've kind of lost in that. that that that
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
type of movie that's made for a very small amount of money they don't have someone sitting down and scoring it it's all you know it's like night of the living dead like what do they have at the library that we can use without getting sued
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Tamara
Right.
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Alistair
Right?
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Alistair
Oh, I know. I was i was watching...
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Tamara
I don't know.
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Alistair
the changeling last night just thinking i'm like i bet this really wasn't i mean there's you know like there's like some special effects and stuff like at the end like with the fire and stuff like that but like when he's sitting at the piano and the door opens by itself i'm like how much you want to bet somebody from the crew just like pushed the door
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Tamara
Well sure.
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Alistair
like there's nothing there's
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep. Yep.
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Alistair
It's amazing what you can do. with just And I like that. I like that. you know Much more than... you know, explosions and, you know, big fancy things.
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Alistair
You know, I like the simplicity because it's everyday life.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep. yeahp
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Tamara
Yeah. Alistair. at the I don't know if we ever talked about this. We have all the same favorite movies mostly. And that one, at the end, when the old senator comes in and everything catches on fire.
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Tamara
It sort of changed the whole movie. i know It was good. but it i It seemed weird it had so much special effects all of a sudden.
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Alistair
Yeah, I know you mean I know you mean but then again, I mean they couldn't set the poor old guy on fire So, you know what?
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Tamara
I like the quiet horror. Yep.
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Tamara
Sure they could.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
i
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Tamara
ah
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, that's interesting that like maybe their special effects budget was such that they just saved it all for the end to to just, you know.
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Alistair
Exactly.
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Alistair
Exactly.
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Tamara
yeah i just sort of turned into another movie all of a sudden
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Alistair
Yeah, it kind of did because it's it's really, you know, just... somebody holding a camera. people doing what they do. And then all of a sudden, yeah, I get what you're saying, but to me, I don't know.
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Alistair
I think it worked.
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Tamara
It worked. yeah it worked it just it was weird but Well, like you take another class. How about... I love ghost story, book and movie.
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Tamara
and it's not
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Alistair
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh my gosh, yes.
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Tamara
yeah oh it's not just the cast and but oh it's so good but it doesn't Do they have, yeah, they have fire too, don't they? The house burns down.
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Alistair
i
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Tamara
I don't remember.
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Alistair
Thank you very much.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep. Yep.
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Tamara
Yeah. That one stays quiet.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, the interesting thing to me about Ghost Story is how... It's something I appreciate a lot more now that I'm older. Is this thing of like.
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Alistair
Yeah.
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Tamara
Uh huh.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
How. people are when they're in undergrad and then what they become when they're adults and how something some people chill out and mature a little bit and some people like super don't
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Tamara
Oh, God, the Ken Olen character.
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Alistair
Exactly.
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Tamara
Yeah. Okay. that's terrible i don't remember his name
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Wednesday Lee Friday
And it it rings really true, though. you know.
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Tamara
It does.
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Alistair
Sure. Sure, yeah. and You know, it's... it's ah I think some, well, because we've all met people like that. it's like
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm hmm.
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Alistair
You must have peaked in high school and never really got over it.
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Tamara
Oh. Oh, you know it!
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep. Yep.
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Alistair
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
yep
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Tamara
But. Alice Cridge. Oh my god, she makes that movie.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yes.
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Alistair
She does.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yes.
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Alistair
She's so... she's so
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Tamara
still.
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Alistair
And eerie. Yeah, there's an eeriness about her even when she's not.
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Alistair
being eerie.
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Alistair
She's just eerie.
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Tamara
she She is. She doesn't move. She just stares at you. And Stairs and Ricky, oh.
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Alistair
Yeah, it's emerging.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep. Yep, and and that's that's the kind of creepiness. that is I think people underestimate how difficult it is. to meet that sort of tone in a movie that gives it a grounding like that because you you miss that when it's like
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Tamara
mm-hmm
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Wednesday Lee Friday
a guy with his mom's camera directing his first movie with a bunch of people he knows from school.
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Alistair
right
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, that they don't necessarily have the time to pull that kind of subtle performance out of someone.
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Alistair
Yeah.
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Tamara
Right.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Because what I find is all these movies that I loved as a kid, the ones that seem very grounded and realistic. but full of people I've never heard of. It turns out that these are not small actors just because I haven't heard of them.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
They did Shakespeare for 35 years.
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Tamara
No. Yeah.
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Alistair
Right, right.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
So...
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Tamara
Yeah. ah ah One thing in Ghost Story. there There's one actor that's kind of overlooked. and it's it's the the wiener When the guy falls out the window.
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Tamara
Oh, God, I love that.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Hehehehehehehehe.
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Tamara
The... the All the way down. uh that just thrills me.
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Alistair
Yeah.
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Tamara
But the the older movies, The Uninvited is probably my favorite. of the older movie movies that's Dana, what's his name? Gene Tierney, I think, is in it.
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Tamara
You seen that one Wednesday?
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Wednesday Lee Friday
and And Dana, is that Dana Andrews?
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Tamara
dana andrews i think wait unless i'm mixing that up with rocky horror I always use his name to look up the name of the movie, but this time I remembered the name of the movie. 1944.
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Tamara
wait i can look it's
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Alistair
I don't think I've seen that one.
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Tamara
Oh, you've not seen The Uninvited?
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Alistair
I don't think so.
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Tamara
For shame.
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Alistair
I know.
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Tamara
Wait, why is
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Wednesday Lee Friday
I think it's on HBO right now because they'll throw up like really old movies.
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Tamara
Oh, it's...
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Wednesday Lee Friday
They have the original Wax Museum.
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Alistair
Oh cool.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
that that the Vincent Price movie is a remake of.
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Tamara
Well.
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Tamara
the environment.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
and i've gotten into ugly fights on the internet because i say i love the remake of house of wax and they think i mean that 90s piece of shit with paris hilton
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Tamara
Oh god.
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Alistair
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
like Like, come on now.
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Tamara
Yeah. Oh.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, and it makes sense because I do defend the remake of Psycho, which is not a popular opinion in the horror community.
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Tamara
It's...
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Wednesday Lee Friday
so
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Alistair
I feel they did a good job with it.
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Tamara
It's well done. Ray Moland
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay.
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Tamara
gail russell she went nuts ruth hesse um it's Oh, you have to see it.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Alright.
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Tamara
There is another uninvited ah streaming right now and that's not the right one. This usually isn't streaming. This is from a book. And it is fantastic.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay.
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Tamara
it's a true ghost story. And you can tell that Spielberg saw it when you see the ghost up at the top of the staircase. And he must have been inspired for his poltergeist ghost at the top of the staircase.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
I think that's actually why I know that movie, because I have heard... People talk about it in relation to Spielberg movies.
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Tamara
Yeah, you can see it.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
So that makes complete sense to me.
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Tamara
Yeah. It's Fenn.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
No.
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Tamara
Fantastic.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Now, you guys are not necessarily rabid horror fans. Like, you... you do intake some horror, but that's not your main focus is my understanding.
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Tamara
o
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Do might do I have that right?
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Tamara
I thought we were horror but we're kind of funny.
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Alistair
Well, you know, that's it.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
ah ah Well, the thing is, your your books, i mean there's there's there um I mean, there's dark comedy there.
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Tamara
uh
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Wednesday Lee Friday
There's, like, you know, some some...
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Tamara
we can't help it
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Wednesday Lee Friday
romantic relationships but yeah well but that's the thing is that
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Tamara
Okay.
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Alistair
We can't help it.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
I wouldn't. I mean I think Mother is a horror book. um But, I mean, they they seem to straddle multiple genres, and yet you're still tackling themes like madness and murder.
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Tamara
Yeah. Absolutely.
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Tamara
Okay.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, you've got some vampires in there.
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Tamara
That's horror. That's horror. It's all horror.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
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Alistair
Yeah, that's what I'd say. I'd say so when I first got uh published uh this is before Tamara and I started working together. This is way back in like 2012. I didn't really think of myself as any any kind of you know writer they told me the publisher told me i was a horror writer and i went okay i'm a horror writer and i've kind of just said so ever since but i think
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Alistair
I think that... No matter what I write and I think I can speak for Tamara with this too. uh it's gonna be dark there's gonna be there's gonna be a darkness of you know horror elements to it um And I would say that it's horror because I think it gets a little too dark to to be anything else. But I think that you nailed it Wednesday when you said, you know.
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Alistair
definitely straddles different genres because we do Would you like the the humor? I think that humor is important in in horror and i mean people don't but do
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Tamara
but humor We don't do it on purpose exactly.
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Alistair
No.
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Tamara
It just happens.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah Yep.
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Tamara
It's the characters.
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Alistair
Now if we if we were to sit down and try to be funny
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep.
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Tamara
It wouldn't work.
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Alistair
It wouldn't work.
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Tamara
No.
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Alistair
It's just that we we write and we get having too much fun and we like to do
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Alistair
um kind of outward.
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Tamara
We giggle a lot.
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Alistair
Yeah, we we like to do kind of like outrageous you know things to our characters.
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Tamara
Oh. Yeah.
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Alistair
Yes. watch them react to that and of course the characters don't think it's funny they take they take themselves very seriously
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Tamara
Yes.
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Tamara
They do. Those poor people.
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Alistair
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, that is so relatable because I...
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Alistair
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
I always thought of myself as a horror writer, and then multiple people have said to me, no, you write dark comedies. I mean, yeah, they're they're kind of close, but... the there's There's always something to laugh at there.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
so
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Alistair
Yeah, I just don't know how...
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, I mean it actually it It makes me think of Christopher Moore, who was somebody else who was writing a lot of like, oh, there's a monster eating the town.
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Tamara
Oh.
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Alistair
Moving on.
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
But somehow it's hilarious because people are walking around naked and doing all these drunken shenanigans.
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Tamara
He's so good.
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Alistair
Yeah.
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Tamara
Mm-hmm.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
so
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Tamara
Oh. God, he's good.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah he is.
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Alistair
He is good.
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Tamara
He's a lovely guy too.
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Alistair
He is good. Yeah
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Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, I've written to him a few times over the years and... ah Just, you know, sending him emails. And the first one was just like, oh, I like you so much. And then later on, it was like, oh, my first book came out. Do you have time to read it? As if, you know, he doesn't hear that. 11 billion times a week.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
But every time he wrote back to me and he was always kind, he took the the time to say something personal. And. you know that's that's just so impressive for someone who is as popular and sought after as he is and
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Alistair
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
And every time I talk about him, it just makes me mad that we've never gotten a movie of one of his books.
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Alistair
i know For real.
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Tamara
Oh.
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Alistair
I mean, how?
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Tamara
Yeah if it was done right.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Because that is so unfair.
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Alistair
It is unfair. Imagine imagine lamb.
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Tamara
lamb oh lamb is the one my very favorite one if there was a god That would be his.
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Alistair
Yeah, yeah
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Tamara
you know
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep, yep.
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Tamara
He just can't bring those lizards back.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
But even his vampire series, the whole Bite Me series would be wonderful on screen.
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Alistair
Oh, I know.
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Alistair
Totally.
00:14:53.73
Tamara
Yeah, always.
00:14:54.25
Alistair
yeah
00:14:54.19
Wednesday Lee Friday
um
00:14:55.20
Tamara
He's great.
00:14:56.37
Alistair
But yeah, he is. he's and He was really nice. we We interviewed him, I think, a couple times when we had our podcast. He was he was very...
00:15:01.38
Tamara
Yeah, yeah Quinn got us together many years ago. at a convention she was guest of honor at. and i spent a lot of time with him and he's he's this great big goofy guy who's exactly what you think he ought to be.
00:15:14.10
Tamara
He was so great.
00:15:15.56
Wednesday Lee Friday
Sweet.
00:15:16.56
Tamara
Yeah.
00:15:16.73
Wednesday Lee Friday
That is awesome.
00:15:18.66
Tamara
Yeah.
00:15:18.68
Wednesday Lee Friday
I love knowing that Because you know... One of the hardest things for me. uh with uh america being fascist like ah over and above all the the financial and and cultural things
00:15:30.57
Tamara
Yeah.
00:15:33.34
Wednesday Lee Friday
is the idea that I keep finding out that people whose work I've enjoyed so much And you know, I'm um'm autistic, so I respect the person when I when i love their work.
00:15:45.42
Tamara
Uh huh.
00:15:45.30
Wednesday Lee Friday
it It just carries right over for me.
00:15:45.98
Alistair
right
00:15:47.86
Wednesday Lee Friday
And then you find out that like...
00:15:48.01
Tamara
Yeah.
00:15:50.42
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, The Rock won't stand up to rapists and Vince Vaughn went to Mar-a-Lago socially and just all these, like, like, I don't want to know.
00:15:53.69
Alistair
Good.
00:15:56.19
Alistair
Right?
00:15:57.26
Tamara
Yeah, so
00:15:59.02
Wednesday Lee Friday
I don't want, I, you know, I didn't want to know that the guy from The Usual Suspects is...
00:16:00.14
Tamara
No.
00:16:04.80
Wednesday Lee Friday
i mean i didn't want to know that about kevin spacey
00:16:06.77
Alistair
Right. Right.
00:16:08.11
Wednesday Lee Friday
Why do I have to know? Because like... If you ask me, Wednesday, do you want to know what's happening in the world? Do you want to know who these people are?
00:16:15.70
Tamara
no yeah
00:16:16.84
Wednesday Lee Friday
Then of course I do. Of course I want to know. I want as much information as possible. I tell people on dating apps that I would rather be annoyed by an irksome truth than charmed by an enticing lie.
00:16:31.14
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like, that's who I am.
00:16:31.62
Tamara
ah
00:16:32.99
Wednesday Lee Friday
But at the same time, when I hear these things, I'm like, my God, I don't i don't want to know.
00:16:33.07
Tamara
Uh huh.
00:16:38.16
Wednesday Lee Friday
I don't need to know. every sitcom actor who is a racist homophobic fascist now
00:16:43.98
Alistair
Right. Right.
00:16:44.94
Wednesday Lee Friday
And yet I have to. Because they keep telling us.
00:16:47.02
Tamara
yeah
00:16:49.26
Alistair
my My favorite is like when somebody asks. one of these people on social media you know where they stand on a certain position And they haven't answered yet. And you're just kind of sitting there.
00:17:00.57
Alistair
Uh... Hoping. waiting to see how they're going to answer. Are they going to say,
00:17:07.84
Tamara
Yeah.
00:17:08.95
Alistair
human rights or whatever.
00:17:10.69
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right?
00:17:11.13
Tamara
yeah
00:17:11.27
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right? When someone is wailing about how they're being persecuted for their beliefs. It's never a good guy.
00:17:18.81
Tamara
No, it isn't
00:17:19.17
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, when you say, oh my gosh, that's terrible.
00:17:20.03
Alistair
right
00:17:20.12
Tamara
It's so funny.
00:17:22.21
Wednesday Lee Friday
What beliefs do you mean? And then they start talking about men and women's sports or some bullshit.
00:17:24.27
Alistair
yeah
00:17:28.18
Tamara
Oh, geez.
00:17:28.11
Alistair
right
00:17:28.42
Wednesday Lee Friday
So.
00:17:30.30
Tamara
Oh.
00:17:30.34
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
00:17:31.90
Tamara
It's silly.
00:17:33.31
Alistair
it It is.
00:17:33.75
Tamara
But.
00:17:33.94
Alistair
It's hard. It's a... yeah I think this is the... Probably the... One of them. Worst things that I dislike about social media is exactly i'm I'm with you.
00:17:46.88
Alistair
I'm like there are things I did not want to know there are
00:17:49.88
Tamara
No.
00:17:50.33
Alistair
heroes that I'm so disappointed in.
00:17:54.25
Tamara
that the one the only one that doesn't
00:17:54.22
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:56.85
Tamara
I've always known Tom Cruise was a whack job and I don't like him. but when he starts acting i forget that i can't stand him because he's such a good actor
00:18:04.98
Alistair
yeah he seems to have been
00:18:04.90
Tamara
So it's like, okay, I'll watch him, but Mel Gibson didn't go. you know, Ew. I shouldn't even use those words that I was going to say, right? So.
00:18:14.56
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, you know, I i would watch Tom Cruise movies all day long before I would give a nickel to Mel Gibson. and
00:18:21.44
Alistair
Yeah.
00:18:21.51
Tamara
Exactly.
00:18:21.76
Wednesday Lee Friday
But. At the same time, I think Signs is a fantastic film, not because of Mel Gibson, but because of like pretty much everything else. You know, you could have put anybody in that role and he would have been fine.
00:18:34.82
Alistair
Yeah.
00:18:35.43
Wednesday Lee Friday
And I don't. I don't know what people see in Mel Gibson. I mean, he's not my type. like That's not the kind of quote-unquote handsomeness that that I give a shit about.
00:18:42.67
Tamara
Ew. Yeah. mm-hmm
00:18:46.45
Wednesday Lee Friday
But. You know, he's just a big, mean bully. He's like if Pete Hegseth was ah a different kind of actor, you know?
00:18:53.29
Tamara
Ew.
00:18:54.03
Alistair
know
00:18:55.03
Tamara
I find Simon Pegg attractive. Not particularly physically, but...
00:18:57.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, sure, sure.
00:18:59.80
Tamara
I like him. but you know i've got allister so i don't really look at anything
00:19:02.53
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
00:19:05.93
Tamara
except them.
00:19:05.97
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah ah
00:19:06.04
Alistair
yeah
00:19:07.04
Tamara
I say, turn it on the screen. Okay, thanks. And that's it.
00:19:10.75
Wednesday Lee Friday
who So listen, I need to talk about your book, Mother. um i've spoken to you individually about it but i need to talk to you guys about it together i mean i had a bad mom so it's no secret that i love books about bad moms getting
00:19:17.55
Tamara
Okay.
00:19:24.12
Tamara
Yeah.
00:19:27.75
Wednesday Lee Friday
Spoiler alert. A comeuppance!
00:19:30.09
Alistair
Yeah.
00:19:31.12
Tamara
Yes. That was a fun book to write.
00:19:34.39
Alistair
Oh my gosh.
00:19:34.98
Wednesday Lee Friday
i'll bet i'll bet so what i want to know first and foremost is I mean, one of the things I like is the authenticity of it, because it is sort of Christopher Moorish, where you have this town full of people that all interact with each other, and the way those interactions change, create.
00:19:52.04
Tamara
That's so fun Yeah.
00:19:54.53
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh. bunch of fun drama and and potato salad so Um... so so Where does that come from? Do do you know someone like that?
00:20:07.18
Tamara
Well...
00:20:08.92
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
00:20:09.11
Tamara
we We didn't like our fathers. um But we both loved our mothers.
00:20:11.86
Alistair
So... so Yes.
00:20:14.28
Tamara
So that's sort of weird.
00:20:15.69
Alistair
Yeah, so it... it is not based on our mothers.
00:20:19.16
Tamara
And paint in place.
00:20:20.02
Alistair
And in fact, we we put that in the front.
00:20:21.13
Tamara
Yeah.
00:20:22.23
Alistair
We wanted to be very clear about that.
00:20:22.91
Tamara
Yeah.
00:20:23.46
Alistair
We dedicated it to our mothers and said, it's not.
00:20:23.34
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep. Yep.
00:20:26.02
Alistair
based on our mothers. We actually both had really good moms. But we've seen some things.
00:20:31.79
Tamara
Yes we have. Some women. And we've heard stories. and
00:20:38.17
Alistair
Yeah. like gary
00:20:38.91
Tamara
ah Actually, at least one thing that happened in Mother. was taken directly from something my father did to me that made me begin hating him more than just disliking him.
00:20:50.63
Tamara
And that was... God, I don't even know I have the nerve to say it out loud. The scene where the girl... our heroine when she's a girl comes home and finds her underwear that she had hidden because she got her period.
00:21:05.87
Tamara
spread out all over the house. cleaned up. bleached. My father did that to me. And that was the day I began hating him.
00:21:16.10
Alistair
Yeah.
00:21:16.96
Tamara
So that was it.
00:21:17.19
Wednesday Lee Friday
And rightly so, man. That is fucking vile.
00:21:20.44
Alistair
Yeah.
00:21:20.41
Tamara
It was. He did that when my mother was away. taking care of my grandmother who's hit who had broken her hip And so. Yeah.
00:21:31.18
Tamara
I didn't like the man, never did, but. That was the day hate started. and That was totally real.
00:21:36.96
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, because that's not a that's not a parenting mistake, and that's not something that's a split-second wrong decision.
00:21:41.63
Alistair
Right.
00:21:43.56
Wednesday Lee Friday
That is a very deliberate...
00:21:44.51
Tamara
No.
00:21:45.80
Wednesday Lee Friday
planned thing that took time to execute.
00:21:48.91
Tamara
Oh yeah.
00:21:49.23
Wednesday Lee Friday
out of sheer cruelty and and and a desire to humiliate.
00:21:51.29
Tamara
fine Yeah.
00:21:52.84
Wednesday Lee Friday
So yeah, I'm with you on that.
00:21:52.95
Tamara
I was 11 years old.
00:21:54.30
Wednesday Lee Friday
That's fucked up.
00:21:55.06
Tamara
Yeah. Yeah, you find your underwear draped all over the living room.
00:21:56.01
Alistair
Yeah.
00:21:58.71
Tamara
the bedrooms. the dining room table. And you're 11. And... Oh my god. Yeah.
00:22:07.95
Alistair
And i just wonder I just wonder what... You know because you've told me that story and I
00:22:13.12
Tamara
Yeah.
00:22:13.22
Alistair
i'll always just wonder what was the goal. I wonder what was... what
00:22:17.39
Wednesday Lee Friday
right like what what the is the lesson what's the takeaway supposed to be from that
00:22:19.97
Alistair
Right.
00:22:21.34
Tamara
I think he was a mean little man who was humiliated by his tall, handsome brothers.
00:22:21.53
Alistair
Right.
00:22:27.08
Tamara
you know He got put in the several books. Pretty sure that he... accident probably accidentally, killed his older brother. um Things like that.
00:22:37.67
Tamara
I just kept using it and you know he basically ran away from home he he made quite a
00:22:37.76
Alistair
In real life, yeah.
00:22:44.13
Tamara
good person out of himself. He was a good provider and all that. and um But I think he was incredibly unhappy. Not that I excuse him. But, um...
00:22:55.94
Tamara
I heard things you know from my older siblings they were 20 years older than me And. He made everybody miserable. And I think it's because he was miserable. so um,
00:23:11.23
Tamara
I got to write about it, hence... It was easy for me. comparatively.
00:23:16.84
Alistair
Yeah, so...
00:23:17.11
Tamara
And he died when I was 15 and that really helped.
00:23:17.15
Alistair
it's it's
00:23:20.31
Alistair
Interestingly, Mother is more about...
00:23:21.06
Tamara
Yeah.
00:23:22.39
Alistair
you know more dad stuff than mom stuff, but...
00:23:25.89
Tamara
Yeah. for us.
00:23:26.69
Alistair
but as far as like as far as any kind of like you know therapeutic you know personal stuff there's more dad stuff in it but it's really kind of a patchwork of
00:23:34.83
Tamara
Yeah.
00:23:37.20
Alistair
you know um things we had heard over the years. um
00:23:42.93
Tamara
Yeah.
00:23:43.39
Alistair
and and kind of put it through our. own filter of you know
00:23:48.39
Tamara
how she treated
00:23:48.53
Alistair
what we do.
00:23:50.96
Tamara
Alistair the... the thing how she treated her husband
00:23:55.23
Alistair
Mm hmm.
00:23:55.80
Tamara
her invalid husband, that was one that we really...
00:23:57.08
Alistair
mm-hmm
00:23:59.66
Tamara
felt strongly about and i don't remember i think you came up with that
00:24:04.15
Alistair
i You know, I don't remember. I just know that it...
00:24:05.94
Tamara
Yeah.
00:24:06.77
Alistair
it just yeah we Because what's more horrifying?
00:24:09.14
Tamara
So. was a big
00:24:11.15
Alistair
then than a you know someone who's supposed to be a caretaker. someone who's supposed to be, you know, i mean really a mother what's more horrifying than a mother
00:24:15.34
Tamara
Yeah.
00:24:21.75
Alistair
who just doesn't.
00:24:24.10
Tamara
Mother.
00:24:26.16
Alistair
Yeah.
00:24:26.02
Wednesday Lee Friday
Great. Because the very nature of motherhood is that the people in your care are essentially helpless.
00:24:32.37
Alistair
Exactly.
00:24:32.88
Wednesday Lee Friday
And even if they grow up. There's still that. well there is supposed to be that bond there.
00:24:40.29
Tamara
Right.
00:24:40.28
Wednesday Lee Friday
Um, As you know, my my first book is also about a bad mom. And. I...
00:24:46.25
Tamara
ah hu
00:24:47.32
Wednesday Lee Friday
People have said to me many times since it came out, aren't you worried about being sued? And apparently there there was discussion of a lawsuit.
00:24:53.11
Tamara
ah
00:24:55.97
Wednesday Lee Friday
But...
00:24:56.56
Tamara
Emily!
00:24:56.93
Wednesday Lee Friday
it's It's one of those things like Trump saying, I dare you to to call me a rapist, I'll sue you. Like, bitch, you can't.
00:25:02.36
Alistair
right
00:25:03.55
Tamara
Yeah.
00:25:03.58
Wednesday Lee Friday
you know. Because suing over that book is essentially saying, yeah, that's me. That's me in there.
00:25:10.87
Alistair
Yeah, exactly.
00:25:11.19
Wednesday Lee Friday
and
00:25:11.18
Tamara
wow
00:25:11.75
Alistair
Exactly.
00:25:12.65
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know. you Like.
00:25:14.38
Tamara
Yeah.
00:25:14.41
Wednesday Lee Friday
Really? You're just gonna say that outright just to take me to court? Like, my goodness, that woman is a monster. How could you possibly see yourself?
00:25:21.52
Tamara
wow
00:25:22.24
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh.
00:25:23.78
Alistair
Well, and
00:25:23.87
Tamara
So she reacted to it, huh?
00:25:25.98
Alistair
Exit.
00:25:27.43
Tamara
Is she ready?
00:25:27.79
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, well, my family, actually, it's interesting because I thought, I wonder if my extended family is going to think that. that's about my mom and
00:25:37.57
Tamara
and
00:25:37.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
And everybody just like, no question. We're like, wow, I didn't realize things were that bad between me and your mom. I'm like, no, no, it's a fiction book.
00:25:45.85
Tamara
Yeah.
00:25:46.42
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay, it's not not that much of a fiction book.
00:25:49.51
Tamara
Yeah.
00:25:49.88
Wednesday Lee Friday
Um... But it's it's listed as a fiction book, so I won't get sued, but also... I mean, yeah, it's ah it's a pretty... Uh...
00:25:59.91
Wednesday Lee Friday
stereotypical Mary Sue of like, well if you're wondering why I'm so fucked up, this is basically why. um kind of debut novel. my my other books are better i think but but But the mother stuff is...
00:26:13.72
Tamara
What's the title?
00:26:16.07
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, the thing is that there is... Like. Mothers abusing their daughters is a very different dynamic than fathers doing it because your relationships that like sets up.
00:26:25.10
Tamara
Yeah.
00:26:27.65
Wednesday Lee Friday
you know, your your ah feelings about the the different genders for your whole life, you know?
00:26:33.36
Tamara
Mhm.
00:26:33.67
Wednesday Lee Friday
you'll You'll view all men. either in relationship to your dad and all your friendships with women. You know, your mom influences that. If she's catty and talks about people behind your back, you're going to think that all women do that.
00:26:47.16
Wednesday Lee Friday
At least starting out, somebody will have to prove you wrong. You know, that sort of thing. And I think that even though...
00:26:51.75
Alistair
Right.
00:26:52.56
Tamara
true
00:26:53.30
Wednesday Lee Friday
You guys are both kind of talking about. Like, the the acrimony aspect of mother comes from your dads. I think the book does a really good job.
00:27:00.95
Tamara
Yeah.
00:27:04.27
Wednesday Lee Friday
of Of. sort of that that Knife twisty. way that. that bad bad moms hurt their daughters.
00:27:12.42
Tamara
We saw the bad moms. We just didn't happen to have them ourselves, thank God.
00:27:16.58
Alistair
Yeah.
00:27:17.03
Wednesday Lee Friday
Hehehe.
00:27:17.70
Tamara
And I have to point out I had a brother. who's 20 years older than me, who I always saw as my real dad. So I didn't get too fucked up. Excuse me. But... um
00:27:27.50
Alistair
Yeah, right.
00:27:27.39
Wednesday Lee Friday
That's handy.
00:27:27.81
Tamara
But. Yeah, that was real handy. but Yeah, you're right. What's the name of your book?
00:27:34.61
Wednesday Lee Friday
A Stabbing for Sadie is my first book.
00:27:36.43
Tamara
Oh, okay. What kind of stuff did you... mom do to you?
00:27:42.21
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah. Well, she was the narcissistic sociopath that liked to punctuate her points with with violence.
00:27:45.28
Tamara
Eeeh.
00:27:48.34
Wednesday Lee Friday
and
00:27:49.64
Tamara
Oh.
00:27:50.13
Wednesday Lee Friday
One of her main things, a lot of it happened when nobody else was around. but not all of it like my stepdad had to physically pull her off me i remember occasions where she'd be choking me and i would wake up and she'd still be on top of me like hating me and stuff and i mean this is when i'm like 10 or 11.
00:27:54.76
Tamara
a
00:28:02.55
Tamara
Oh.
00:28:06.68
Tamara
Oh geez.
00:28:09.38
Wednesday Lee Friday
And that's.
00:28:09.76
Tamara
Wow.
00:28:10.27
Wednesday Lee Friday
it's crazy because when you grow up Like at the time, you're just like, oh, I better not get in trouble so that doesn't happen again. But then when you grow up and look at it, like I remember being 30 and remembering what my mom was like when she was 30.
00:28:26.67
Tamara
uh-huh
00:28:26.63
Wednesday Lee Friday
If I...
00:28:26.96
Alistair
right
00:28:27.74
Wednesday Lee Friday
was beating a 10 year old to the point where another adult in the room had to pull me off of them? I would commit myself.
00:28:34.71
Tamara
Oh gee.
00:28:35.92
Wednesday Lee Friday
I would like after that situation and I calmed down, I would be like, okay, there's something very wrong with me.
00:28:36.51
Alistair
right
00:28:36.71
Tamara
Yeah.
00:28:42.64
Wednesday Lee Friday
I need to figure out what the fuck just made me do that. You know, I wouldn't just go on about my business and be like those kids are so bad Why do they make me so angry like what?
00:28:52.65
Alistair
Right, right.
00:28:53.05
Tamara
Wow.
00:28:54.00
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know?
00:28:54.93
Tamara
Yeah.
00:28:55.50
Wednesday Lee Friday
So.
00:28:55.90
Tamara
that's what
00:28:55.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
So, yeah, it was that kind of thing. But also there was a. Like a weird kind of jealousy. when I I lost a bunch of weight in junior high and my stepdad, I heard him say that I had a nice ass.
00:29:03.28
Tamara
Uh huh.
00:29:09.89
Wednesday Lee Friday
And my mom also said, heard him say that I had a nice ass and that.
00:29:10.18
Tamara
of G.
00:29:15.54
Wednesday Lee Friday
Started this. weird competitive thing.
00:29:16.86
Tamara
oh
00:29:18.75
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like I, it. I'm not going to get too into it because maybe some of my family listens to this, but it was very strange.
00:29:23.83
Tamara
Yeah.
00:29:27.39
Wednesday Lee Friday
And there was a lot of comparison with like weight loss and who could wear what size clothes.
00:29:30.44
Tamara
Oh.
00:29:32.88
Wednesday Lee Friday
And you know that meant that somebody was like, if you could fit in smaller pants, then you were basically a better person.
00:29:33.71
Tamara
Ooh.
00:29:39.94
Wednesday Lee Friday
than if you had
00:29:40.16
Tamara
oh how awful
00:29:40.18
Alistair
Right.
00:29:41.44
Wednesday Lee Friday
you know eaten so much that oh no you need a bigger size of pants you're terrible you should kill yourself like
00:29:42.10
Tamara
Wow.
00:29:47.43
Alistair
All right.
00:29:47.61
Tamara
Oh.
00:29:47.95
Wednesday Lee Friday
you know,
00:29:49.63
Alistair
Well, and I think i think there's, i think there's um and and this is something that we kind of discovered when we were writing Mother.
00:29:49.77
Tamara
Wow.
00:29:49.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
So, so yeah.
00:29:55.94
Alistair
and i It's... It's shocking. But I think that there is a lot of ah jealousy. I don't think it's that uncommon, jealousy between, you know.
00:30:04.26
Tamara
he
00:30:06.04
Alistair
parents and and their children. I don't know if it's the the youth.
00:30:08.76
Tamara
Yeah.
00:30:09.18
Alistair
I don't know. I think there's a lot of vicarious living through them too, as well. Like, well, I didn't do this.
00:30:13.76
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
00:30:14.67
Tamara
Oh yeah.
00:30:14.98
Alistair
You need to do this. and I should have done that. So you need to do that. um And I think that can totally in and of itself, I think.
00:30:20.46
Tamara
Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:30:23.95
Alistair
What? at the root of it. I think what a lot of parents don't realize is that these children. are not extensions of yourself. There.
00:30:33.12
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right.
00:30:33.82
Alistair
In fact, their own.
00:30:35.00
Tamara
Yeah.
00:30:35.76
Alistair
fully developed human beings with their own agents. They are their own person. They're not.
00:30:43.89
Tamara
Yeah.
00:30:44.35
Alistair
You. And I think that's where a lot of people get, a lot of parents get mixed up because it's like you're. you're
00:30:50.53
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, yeah, I mean, that's the the core of the narcissistic parent is.
00:30:54.83
Tamara
Yeah.
00:30:55.31
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, it's so like when you get the the parentified oldest daughter and it's, you know, no one says, would you mind staying home Friday to to watch the other kids? They say, okay, you exist.
00:31:05.100
Wednesday Lee Friday
So you'll be staying home Friday to watch the other kids.
00:31:08.38
Tamara
ahha
00:31:08.78
Wednesday Lee Friday
You don't get to have a life.
00:31:08.95
Alistair
Right. Right.
00:31:10.45
Wednesday Lee Friday
And as a teenager, it just sounds whiny and ridiculous to be like, oh, I don't have a life.
00:31:11.10
Tamara
wow
00:31:16.08
Wednesday Lee Friday
I have to do this thing. but when it's Always.
00:31:21.35
Alistair
Yeah.
00:31:21.50
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, it, it. Great on you. you know When you start to be known as the kid who can never go and never do anything.
00:31:30.78
Tamara
Yeah.
00:31:30.78
Wednesday Lee Friday
then you stop getting invited to some stuff and then you got to feel bad about that so
00:31:35.53
Alistair
Right.
00:31:35.84
Wednesday Lee Friday
you know it' it's this whole round and round vicious cycle thing but like i basically grew up thinking that No one would ever love me until or unless I lost weight.
00:31:47.07
Wednesday Lee Friday
that I was dumb, I was lazy. I was weird and that's why nobody liked me. and you know And then you grow up and you go on social media and people who knew you in school are like, man, you were so cool.
00:31:55.32
Tamara
oh
00:32:00.92
Wednesday Lee Friday
I don't know why I didn't hang out with you more.
00:32:03.05
Alistair
Yeah.
00:32:03.50
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like.
00:32:03.79
Tamara
Yeah. ah
00:32:04.80
Wednesday Lee Friday
like Wait, what?
00:32:07.49
Tamara
Yeah.
00:32:07.79
Wednesday Lee Friday
Nobody thought I was cool. What the fuck are you talking about? I was, you do do you remember who I am? I'm the fat kid with the weird name. Like, what are you talking about?
00:32:18.57
Tamara
Isn't that funny? Yeah.
00:32:20.12
Alistair
And speaking of your name.
00:32:20.69
Wednesday Lee Friday
It's funny now, at the time it fucking sucked.
00:32:22.35
Tamara
Yeah.
00:32:23.78
Alistair
Speaking of your name, i've seen you I've seen you on social media more than once defending your name.
00:32:23.81
Tamara
Yeah, exactly.
00:32:28.83
Alistair
Somebody acutely knew of having a fake name.
00:32:31.33
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep.
00:32:33.58
Alistair
and You're like... You think I would have chosen Wednesday, Lee, Friday?
00:32:35.38
Wednesday Lee Friday
like
00:32:35.69
Tamara
ah i saw that yeah that was hysterical
00:32:38.19
Alistair
That's it.
00:32:38.52
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like, oh, really, Trump lover 69? You think I'm using a fake name, do you?
00:32:41.51
Tamara
Yeah. Oh, God. oh
00:32:46.71
Wednesday Lee Friday
Gee, Elon Musk sucked 72, I guess. ah yeah You got me.
00:32:53.51
Tamara
Ugh!
00:32:53.93
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, and the thing is, it's so easy to just like Google is a thing. Maybe it's it's better to use quotes if you're if you're Googling me.
00:33:02.78
Tamara
Yeah.
00:33:03.10
Wednesday Lee Friday
But put i I'm on there. You can find me.
00:33:06.43
Tamara
Yeah.
00:33:06.40
Wednesday Lee Friday
I may not have a Wikipedia, but you can Google my ass, for heaven's sake. so
00:33:13.11
Tamara
My friend found she's another writer she She sent me a link. She found me on on whatever mustiess Musk's... uh answer to wikipedia is and it's so screwed up it's hysterical Rockapedia.
00:33:29.79
Tamara
And.
00:33:29.97
Alistair
Yeah, I think it's, I think it's Grokopedia. Yeah.
00:33:32.41
Tamara
Yeah, I showed that to you, didn't I, Alistair?
00:33:33.64
Alistair
Yeah.
00:33:34.45
Tamara
That was a scream.
00:33:34.81
Wednesday Lee Friday
I am so fucking mad that he has co-opted the word grok. That just makes me furious.
00:33:39.55
Tamara
Oh, isn't that the worst thing?
00:33:39.63
Alistair
know
00:33:40.74
Tamara
I've been using that since seventh grade when I read that stupid book that I didn't like, but I love that word.
00:33:45.39
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like bitch, you're not literary. Don't pretend you are.
00:33:48.53
Alistair
All right.
00:33:48.56
Tamara
Yeah. And. Now I can't use it anymore. He took it.
00:33:52.35
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right? Right?
00:33:53.15
Tamara
Yeah. Yeah. That bastard.
00:33:56.25
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, got his Nazi shit all over it, and now it can't be touched.
00:33:59.01
Alistair
You better.
00:33:59.22
Tamara
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God. It just, that was. I did not like Robert Heinlein. I know that makes me awful, but I didn't. And I didn't like Stranger in a Strange Land where he made that word up. But I love that word.
00:34:14.07
Tamara
Then you don't have to use three syllables. Understand. I understand. I grok.
00:34:17.89
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm hmm.
00:34:19.04
Alistair
Yeah.
00:34:19.76
Tamara
Oh.
00:34:21.05
Alistair
Yeah.
00:34:21.00
Tamara
And he took it. And he made it.
00:34:22.45
Alistair
You took it down!
00:34:22.94
Tamara
dirty and icky. And nasty.
00:34:25.57
Wednesday Lee Friday
Give it back! You son of a bitch!
00:34:27.11
Tamara
Yeah.
00:34:27.21
Alistair
we can We can take it back.
00:34:29.16
Tamara
Yeah.
00:34:29.39
Alistair
We'll have it roll an uprising of three. We will take it back.
00:34:32.16
Tamara
Yes.
00:34:32.72
Wednesday Lee Friday
We will. We will.
00:34:33.67
Tamara
Let me it.
00:34:33.86
Wednesday Lee Friday
The crack society.
00:34:35.05
Tamara
Fart in the general direction.
00:34:36.42
Alistair
the grog says
00:34:37.18
Tamara
a Bastard!
00:34:39.51
Wednesday Lee Friday
it
00:34:40.50
Tamara
I think that made me angrier than anything else. I can't use my word anymore.
00:34:44.06
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right?
00:34:45.40
Tamara
yeah Yeah, it made people think I like time.
00:34:46.85
Wednesday Lee Friday
i mean it's also bad that he killed all those people but what the fuck with our words man
00:34:50.01
Tamara
to No. but but Damn it. Don't mess with the language.
00:34:55.75
Alistair
You gotta to draw the line somewhere, right?
00:34:57.57
Tamara
That's right.
00:34:57.97
Wednesday Lee Friday
I know. I know.
00:34:59.42
Tamara
I don't know.
00:35:00.60
Wednesday Lee Friday
It's like, what what do you care about? But okay, so one thing that the two of you can do.
00:35:03.24
Tamara
and
00:35:07.13
Tamara
Mhm.
00:35:07.32
Wednesday Lee Friday
that I have never done successfully is to write with a partner.
00:35:11.67
Tamara
Yeah.
00:35:11.96
Wednesday Lee Friday
um
00:35:12.29
Tamara
ah so
00:35:12.83
Wednesday Lee Friday
and i'm i'm fascinated by the concept i just ah like can you can you walk me through your process
00:35:19.04
Tamara
Um. We get together and giggle and write. um we We seem to have some kind of telepathic link. Like. We know when we're going to text each other. the phones get picked up before the thing comes we've always been like that it's weird But. Before that,
00:35:40.56
Tamara
We each had a collaborator from hell. Mine? was several years worth. of people telling me to get rid of the person And. I was too wimpy. I learned not to be wimpy anymore.
00:35:55.35
Tamara
And then.
00:35:58.10
Tamara
Alistair had the same kind of problem. We were both stalked. 20 Arbor Road. helped me through. My time. of being stalked And...
00:36:10.90
Tamara
then, you know... years later this happened again so we had and understanding. immediately. We're both the people who don't like to argue and hate drama.
00:36:23.11
Tamara
We talk things out. I don't think we've ever argued. We've only fake argued to amuse people, right?
00:36:28.97
Alistair
Right. Right. It just it's I think I think.
00:36:30.44
Tamara
Yeah.
00:36:32.86
Alistair
First of all, shared experience, shared previous experience.
00:36:37.04
Tamara
Yeah.
00:36:37.84
Alistair
We were both cautious of each other and that
00:36:41.55
Tamara
Yeah.
00:36:42.08
Alistair
Her being cautious of me. Put me at ease.
00:36:45.47
Tamara
Yes. Exactly, and vice versa.
00:36:48.40
Alistair
I'm like, oh, if you're if you're worried that I might be.
00:36:48.52
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay.
00:36:51.65
Alistair
a psycho you're probably not a psycho And I know I'm not a psycho, so...
00:36:54.74
Tamara
it Exactly. yeah
00:36:57.85
Alistair
so
00:36:58.48
Tamara
And. Both of us hate phones.
00:37:00.63
Alistair
Yeah.
00:37:00.87
Tamara
and The first time we talked, I was at my son's house. And. I sat out on the balcony and we were just going to talk for a second. Because we both hate phones. and And no, we stayed on for hours. was a big raging storm out there my son finally comes out what are you doing I'm talking to a friend. oh okay And.
00:37:21.05
Tamara
We... decided to write a short story and Well, that turned into a novel. Yeah.
00:37:26.69
Alistair
Yeah, it turned into a novel that we had to cut. like what 150 000 words out of because it was too huge yeah it was
00:37:31.95
Tamara
Yes. Yeah.
00:37:33.63
Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow.
00:37:34.70
Alistair
So it really you know it really is a lot of
00:37:34.65
Tamara
But we just have trouble.
00:37:38.91
Alistair
Also, I have to say this, a lot of the same sensibilities. um i I think it helps.
00:37:44.54
Tamara
Yes.
00:37:45.32
Alistair
quite a bit i think it helped quite a bit that I'm younger than Tamara, so... when i was growing up i
00:37:52.28
Tamara
He lasts longer. it knows
00:37:53.78
Alistair
I read.
00:37:54.32
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
00:37:54.95
Tamara
Yes. okay
00:37:56.47
Alistair
When I was growing up, I read her books and this was just the kind of thing that I liked. so it I kinda teased on her work. so to speak, and so...
00:38:09.85
Alistair
by the time I you know get old enough and this is what i'm doing there's a lot of that in there already Things lined up. in such a way that it's, you know, and and our sensibilities are the same. We have the same, you know, creative sense, the same, you know, business sense, our vision is the same.
00:38:23.22
Tamara
I... one one thing we both like the same authors other authors it wasn't just me you liked we both like the same
00:38:31.17
Alistair
Oh sure, sure.
00:38:31.90
Tamara
Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:32.41
Alistair
sure
00:38:32.44
Tamara
I don't want you. Yeah.
00:38:34.24
Alistair
you know
00:38:34.61
Tamara
that's all
00:38:35.50
Alistair
But it it it you know, I think and I so I think at the foundation is basic compatibility.
00:38:41.79
Tamara
Yes.
00:38:42.16
Alistair
and respect. You know, again, we don't fight people. Don't believe that but I don't think we have ever. gotten nasty, even snippy. we just don't that's just not what we you know what i mean it's not really
00:38:51.100
Tamara
No. Yeah, if one of us is bitchy, we just say, hey, why are you bitchy today? and and you know.
00:38:57.77
Alistair
Right.
00:38:59.67
Tamara
We tell each other.
00:38:59.78
Alistair
and And never you know at each other. you know I don't think I've ever...
00:39:02.77
Tamara
No.
00:39:03.52
Alistair
you know i don't know I'm probably the bitchier of the two.
00:39:08.51
Wednesday Lee Friday
ah
00:39:08.88
Tamara
Probably, but you know when we call each other you fucker we say it with love
00:39:10.18
Alistair
But...
00:39:13.65
Alistair
Right, right.
00:39:14.52
Tamara
Yeah. Literally, i I'm not kidding.
00:39:17.28
Alistair
And if there's something that Tamara wants to do with with the story. And she's like, well, I think we should you know do this. I think this needs to happen or whatever. And for whatever reason.
00:39:27.69
Alistair
I don't agree, which is actually rare because we're both. pretty much on the same page, so to speak.
00:39:32.100
Tamara
Yeah.
00:39:33.85
Alistair
um you know, figuratively and literally. um
00:39:37.18
Tamara
Yeah.
00:39:37.89
Alistair
it you know if i don't agree i'll just say well I think you know I'll explain why. there's never been there's never been a butting of heads where it's like well you know this
00:39:45.40
Tamara
Yeah, we talk everything out
00:39:49.68
Alistair
this needs to happen and that idea is stupid.
00:39:49.77
Tamara
No.
00:39:52.18
Alistair
We would never. Say that. we're
00:39:55.00
Tamara
We come up with something better together.
00:39:57.49
Alistair
Yeah.
00:39:58.28
Tamara
Yeah.
00:39:58.94
Alistair
Yeah.
00:39:59.88
Tamara
brainstorming is a big deal with us We love brainstorming.
00:40:01.98
Alistair
But I will say I will say it's it's Not. collaborating is not something that I um, recommend not because of my experience. My experience is, is But but that's the exception, not the rule.
00:40:18.27
Tamara
Yes.
00:40:18.21
Alistair
I've heard. The horror stories, I've... i've you know experience some of that you know
00:40:21.60
Tamara
Oh yeah.
00:40:23.75
Alistair
but but the thing Not with Tamara. but um
00:40:27.58
Tamara
Uh-huh.
00:40:28.27
Alistair
People want people want
00:40:29.03
Wednesday Lee Friday
but
00:40:29.69
Tamara
Yeah.
00:40:30.46
Alistair
people want a writing collaborator. And I'm like, I think it's one of those things that... this is going to sound cheesy but if it's meant to be it'll happen if it's not don't push it
00:40:40.18
Tamara
That's what I was going to say. We have a meant to be thing that I'm so grateful for every day.
00:40:44.52
Alistair
Yeah.
00:40:46.03
Tamara
you know But it's rare. I wouldn't recommend collaborating normally.
00:40:48.87
Alistair
It is. No, because it's you're you're going into... business with someone and not only are you going into business with someone you're going into a creative pursuit with someone and so egos.
00:41:02.40
Alistair
egos are a big part of it you have to have the kind of ego that can
00:41:02.98
Tamara
Yeah.
00:41:07.62
Alistair
um the kind of egos that can merge. together you know, because you can't just, you can't just, you know.
00:41:13.39
Tamara
No.
00:41:14.29
Alistair
uh bow down and be like okay whatever you say okay we'll do it your way okay but you also can't be like we're doing this my way
00:41:22.64
Tamara
Right.
00:41:23.24
Alistair
There's no bullying or or... you know, cowing. It's just. It's a union.
00:41:28.49
Tamara
And there's... There's legal stuff normally now we He has... every right to use any of my characters and vice versa but he's got things in his books that go back to my early books and Vice versa.
00:41:43.62
Tamara
Really? And that's. We have to. I guess put that down somewhere. to say it's always okay that our worlds are totally merged but normally you have a lot of legalese to do with that stuff
00:41:57.62
Alistair
right
00:41:58.26
Tamara
And ours is just, it's our stuff. And here's what. each we you know if one of us kicks off. Here's what we'd like the other to do with it. And.
00:42:06.81
Alistair
Right.
00:42:07.60
Tamara
That's it. But... That's cake compared to what most people have to do.
00:42:12.47
Alistair
Right.
00:42:12.56
Tamara
We're sort of... Twins. uh We're like family to each other. you know, more like.
00:42:18.61
Alistair
In the good way, not the mother way.
00:42:20.51
Tamara
Not the mother way. No, no. He's like my identical twin. and only better. you know And he knows me better than anyone and vice versa.
00:42:26.65
Alistair
Yeah, we even sometimes, we when we when we come up with the same idea at the same time.
00:42:31.89
Tamara
Mhm.
00:42:32.01
Alistair
um which happens a lot. We even sing the Patty Dude theme song, you know.
00:42:34.26
Tamara
Yes.
00:42:36.46
Alistair
They walk alike, they talk alike at times.
00:42:40.01
Tamara
Yeah, we sing that sometimes it's creepy and fun
00:42:43.86
Alistair
You know.
00:42:45.32
Wednesday Lee Friday
It sounds like then that by a wide margin, the way to make a collaboration work is to have the right collaborator.
00:42:45.35
Alistair
but
00:42:54.14
Wednesday Lee Friday
Otherwise, you're just going to be forcing it.
00:42:56.72
Alistair
right
00:42:57.14
Tamara
Probably.
00:42:57.99
Alistair
Right. I think that that's totally fair.
00:42:58.79
Tamara
Be- Ew.
00:42:59.92
Alistair
And you could you could enter a... ah business arrangement a a rigid business arrangement with anyone and you know these are the boundaries and these are the you know you could do that but that wouldn't be very much fun
00:43:09.81
Tamara
for Yeah. And from what we see, most collaborators do it very differently than we do.
00:43:11.44
Alistair
You know.
00:43:16.30
Tamara
Um, And I think even like. um who's who's Who are the detective guys? We've had them on. They're fun. friends or guests.
00:43:25.73
Alistair
precedent child.
00:43:26.98
Tamara
yeah they even do it differently for the most part one will outline more one will write more We do everything together, right down to... we We write on screen together.
00:43:38.01
Tamara
ah frequently one of us is watching the other one and go you know and goes in and adds stuff or we each take a seat but we do it together we don't one doesn't outline in the other Right. We both do both.
00:43:50.94
Alistair
Yeah, we don't do like...
00:43:51.95
Tamara
That's weird.
00:43:52.29
Alistair
another thing another thing you know and this is how a lot of people do it too You take care of. this scene or these characters and I'll take care of this, these scenes and these characters.
00:44:05.27
Tamara
Right.
00:44:05.30
Alistair
We don't do that either. We're we, we even develop the characters together.
00:44:07.09
Tamara
No.
00:44:09.16
Alistair
We we sit down and talk about, you know, so say we're saying, okay, we need a. We need a newscaster. for for this scene for example um
00:44:15.22
Tamara
Yeah.
00:44:18.26
Alistair
Do we want male, female? do we want what Who is this person? and you know Everything. Yeah.
00:44:25.54
Tamara
Yeah, like this book, we have Dixie, she's horrible. Southern accent, vapid. And then we needed a last name. Next scene.
00:44:33.94
Alistair
yeah
00:44:34.86
Tamara
And he says, Normus. And we have Dixie Normus.
00:44:37.18
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
00:44:40.64
Tamara
You'll find a lot of that in our books. And we did.
00:44:42.89
Wednesday Lee Friday
Dang it, you guys.
00:44:43.59
Tamara
She's Dixie Normus. For DIC TV.
00:44:49.70
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh my goodness.
00:44:51.71
Alistair
Yeah, we're very immature.
00:44:51.59
Tamara
ah But.
00:44:53.27
Alistair
That also helps too. We're both 10 year old boys.
00:44:56.84
Tamara
We are we are at all times.
00:45:00.60
Wednesday Lee Friday
Now, I tried to write a screenplay once. It was going to be one of those sci-fi Saturday giant monster movies with a guy who had more experience with screenplays than than I.
00:45:12.72
Wednesday Lee Friday
my My gift is dialogue, but I don't write entire screenplays. It was a new thing.
00:45:17.78
Tamara
ah
00:45:18.97
Wednesday Lee Friday
So we started kind of working on it, tossing some ideas back and forth. And he told me that his 14 year old kid. thought my title was stupid.
00:45:30.02
Wednesday Lee Friday
And... i never wanted to talk to him again i was like it hurt my feelings so much that i was just like nope f this i'm out i don't i don't have the the temperament to have a
00:45:34.55
Tamara
I don't blame you.
00:45:42.05
Wednesday Lee Friday
total stranger's kid. tell Not only to to have a stranger's kid tell me that my title is stupid, but for him to think that that was valuable enough information that he'd better relay it to me.
00:45:52.96
Tamara
God.
00:45:53.40
Wednesday Lee Friday
Um...
00:45:54.83
Tamara
We just need to kick him in the nuts.
00:45:55.16
Wednesday Lee Friday
Because how? How are you not trying to hurt my feelings if that's what you're saying?
00:45:58.89
Tamara
Yeah. Exactly.
00:46:00.81
Wednesday Lee Friday
So. Well, and that's one thing that I'm real sensitive about. like as i get older like if i can tell that you're trying to hurt my feelings
00:46:07.20
Tamara
Uh-huh.
00:46:10.36
Wednesday Lee Friday
you're not my friend get out of my house i don't want to do you know like okay so you're mean
00:46:12.25
Tamara
No.
00:46:15.04
Tamara
that's good you don't need that shit
00:46:17.09
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mean people should be shunned.
00:46:17.20
Tamara
Yeah.
00:46:17.58
Alistair
exactly Yes.
00:46:19.77
Wednesday Lee Friday
and uh and i gotta watch saying that too because i can be awfully mean if i'm sure i'm right and somebody else is like being a bully
00:46:20.11
Tamara
o
00:46:27.41
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like, yeah. I will smack you the fuck down. I hope I'm right about this.
00:46:37.91
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
00:46:40.23
Tamara
but
00:46:39.92
Alistair
It better be. It better be right.
00:46:41.47
Tamara
Yeah.
00:46:42.57
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right.
00:46:42.49
Tamara
Oh!
00:46:44.04
Alistair
um
00:46:44.07
Tamara
but
00:46:44.05
Wednesday Lee Friday
All right, so here's here's what I need to know then.
00:46:47.30
Tamara
Okay.
00:46:47.51
Wednesday Lee Friday
I need to know what each of you. have learned about your own writing. through. writing books with someone else? Like what has it taught you?
00:46:55.97
Tamara
Oh, geez. Um.
00:46:59.50
Alistair
Okay, so I would say... This is going to sound kind of...
00:47:06.87
Alistair
How do I word it? I've learned. That I'm not bad.
00:47:15.18
Alistair
That that i'm that'm I'm good at it that I'm good at what I do
00:47:19.95
Wednesday Lee Friday
Did you not know that before?
00:47:21.79
Alistair
Not really, no. You don't know because how do you know?
00:47:23.63
Wednesday Lee Friday
That sucks.
00:47:25.22
Alistair
I mean, it's just it's just it's like. It's I've written my whole life it's just what You do. it's it's um hmm Very natural for me. I mean It's just... it's like breathing And so it's always been there. It's always been. but ti to to be able to write something a value that people would enjoy I didn't know. I didn't know.
00:47:50.90
Alistair
I really didn't. I'm like, I don't i don't know.
00:47:53.81
Tamara
You were around someone who...
00:47:54.11
Alistair
And.
00:47:57.83
Tamara
All they did was criticize you. And that. that When I... first met you and read that book and it was obvious who wrote what i ended up only reading your stuff because you were the only one who could write
00:48:05.51
Alistair
When you get, I mean...
00:48:09.89
Alistair
But you get you get like a ah certain amount of you know criticism no matter what you do um
00:48:15.66
Tamara
Sure.
00:48:16.23
Alistair
But it. I don't know. I think I would just say that that I've learned that um I can do it.
00:48:26.28
Tamara
Aww.
00:48:26.28
Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow. Okay. That's that's amazing What about you Tamer?
00:48:31.49
Tamara
ae
00:48:34.40
Tamara
rather similar really I mean, I was confident. Then I stopped for quite a while while my husband and I were doing a business. and i was alistair helped me get my confidence back because he admired what i was doing he also made me very aware that i'm good at atmosphere.
00:48:54.77
Tamara
which made me happy because I teased on bradbury that's what i loved but i wasn't nearly as aware of it before. And. He made me see that.
00:49:06.42
Tamara
And. The fact that he liked to write the same kind of things that I do. and with the same length. which is you know lengthy and all that it it actually there's this young guy just coming up And he's doing the same stuff as me. It made me a lot more confident again.
00:49:27.74
Tamara
And I just felt. Good.
00:49:30.36
Alistair
Well, I felt like
00:49:30.78
Tamara
I feel good.
00:49:31.79
Alistair
when i when I met you, I'm like, why are you not? why are you not doing this? you need to be be You need to be doing this.
00:49:38.26
Tamara
Yeah.
00:49:38.77
Alistair
You know, it's just, it's so.
00:49:39.23
Tamara
And you were right.
00:49:41.46
Alistair
you know I used to Back in the days of dial up internet, go to my mom's house to get on her computer because I didn't have a computer of my own. And I would, you know, Google Tamara Thorne. This is before. we met.
00:49:53.66
Tamara
Yeah.
00:49:53.73
Alistair
And it sounds very stalkery. I know this, but it was just, you know, you're watching that because I'm looking to see if you have like, you know, anything new out. um It was just...
00:50:03.23
Tamara
You got me going again.
00:50:03.36
Alistair
it can I couldn't see why you weren't still going.
00:50:04.81
Tamara
Yeah.
00:50:06.85
Alistair
I just thought that was just such a... a shame.
00:50:09.97
Tamara
Yeah, I was basically told well we've got to meet did this business And. i just didn't.
00:50:17.60
Alistair
Yeah.
00:50:17.81
Tamara
And. You got me going again. There.
00:50:22.70
Wednesday Lee Friday
That's awesome. I love that
00:50:26.36
Tamara
I do too.
00:50:26.37
Wednesday Lee Friday
I love that for both of you.
00:50:29.87
Tamara
Me too.
00:50:30.92
Alistair
Yeah.
00:50:31.52
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well now
00:50:31.40
Tamara
Yeah.
00:50:31.45
Alistair
It's really cool. It really is.
00:50:33.57
Wednesday Lee Friday
So getting into the work. um Let's pretend that I've never heard of the Ravencrest Saga. What do I need to know to get started?
00:50:43.17
Tamara
Well...
00:50:44.36
Wednesday Lee Friday
but
00:50:44.65
Tamara
The authors both love... gothics and rebecca and dark shadows and all that stuff and if you like that stuff too You might very well like the ghosts. The Ravencrest Saga.
00:50:59.00
Tamara
uh
00:50:58.97
Alistair
Yeah, we both.
00:50:59.46
Wednesday Lee Friday
And.
00:51:00.21
Alistair
Yeah, we both. Have a thing for eerie you know well you know the the creepy mansions and the naive governesses and the you know, mercurial.
00:51:12.74
Alistair
men of the manor who may or may not love the governess, you know.
00:51:16.71
Tamara
so
00:51:18.01
Alistair
we For some reason, we both really like that. So that's where this concept for this series is rooted. But of course, we put our own. we couldn't We couldn't fairly call it. you know, Gothic romance. win.
00:51:33.62
Alistair
it's more like gothic horror because we get you know two horrific And.
00:51:38.45
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, the vibe is like turn of the screw is is what I always think of.
00:51:43.33
Alistair
Yeah. and And, you know, Turn of the Screw is... very much. in line with the The whole... you know, foundation of that that genre. it's They're all kind of the same.
00:51:53.20
Tamara
Yeah.
00:51:55.32
Alistair
yeah We've had people write to us and say, oh, I i just saw this. you know or i just saw this movie or i just read this book what was it it was um like crimson peak or something like that.
00:52:06.22
Tamara
Oh yeah, Crimson Peak.
00:52:07.13
Alistair
and people wrote you that they totally stole your head it's like no no no
00:52:07.86
Tamara
Yeah, that's gothic.
00:52:07.79
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep, yep.
00:52:11.34
Tamara
No.
00:52:11.30
Alistair
no these are the beats these are the tropes this is what you do in gothic stories and they have certain beats and tropes and certain things that you just do and and they are in many ways
00:52:15.50
Tamara
Yes.
00:52:17.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep. Yep. Okay.
00:52:20.53
Tamara
Right.
00:52:24.93
Alistair
the same.
00:52:24.92
Tamara
Yeah. They are, and then we turn it on its ear.
00:52:29.43
Alistair
Great.
00:52:29.63
Tamara
Our governess may still have that sweetness about her. But she's badass.
00:52:34.60
Alistair
Yeah, she can be she can be dangerous and...
00:52:37.53
Tamara
Yeah, she's she's learning to use her powers.
00:52:37.24
Alistair
you know
00:52:40.75
Tamara
and
00:52:40.95
Alistair
right
00:52:41.58
Tamara
And. the genteel butler is actually a He's called he's a knight of the mandrake. he's a steeped he's a sorcerer And then we have. tons of ghosts we never ran out of supernatural creatures is this mrs teller she's a witch that has been around since the 1600s and She's really awful.
00:53:01.57
Tamara
We love her.
00:53:02.49
Alistair
And I think that's one of the one of the big differences. I think that's where we kind of you know merge away from. typical gothic you know say romance stories is
00:53:11.04
Tamara
Yeah.
00:53:12.56
Alistair
our series is supernatural. um when you're reading a lot of these Gothic.
00:53:15.92
Tamara
Very.
00:53:17.57
Alistair
you know books. it has that vibe but it always ends up
00:53:20.74
Tamara
Yeah.
00:53:23.00
Alistair
you know getting explained you know oh you know there's a you know the voices you heard in the attic were you know a recording that somebody made to scare you to but you know to gaslight you or whatever
00:53:26.44
Tamara
Doesn't that piss you off, too? Yeah.
00:53:32.96
Tamara
Yeah.
00:53:33.11
Alistair
Um. But.
00:53:34.00
Tamara
I hate that
00:53:34.86
Alistair
we do We do real ghosts, we do real monsters, we do real, you know, matter.
00:53:38.83
Tamara
We even did zombies once.
00:53:40.59
Alistair
Yeah, we even did zombies once
00:53:42.06
Tamara
Briefly, yes
00:53:42.60
Wednesday Lee Friday
Dope! Dope.
00:53:44.96
Alistair
Yeah, it was.
00:53:45.41
Wednesday Lee Friday
So this is this is book six that's coming up, right?
00:53:45.66
Tamara
Yeah.
00:53:48.19
Alistair
Yes.
00:53:49.07
Tamara
Yeah.
00:53:49.76
Wednesday Lee Friday
Or is it out yet? Is book six out already?
00:53:51.27
Tamara
No, it's not out yet I think.
00:53:52.46
Alistair
No.
00:53:52.68
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay.
00:53:53.14
Tamara
Yeah.
00:53:53.34
Alistair
we're we're we're
00:53:53.95
Wednesday Lee Friday
So it's coming up.
00:53:55.08
Alistair
Kind of, it but we're still writing it.
00:53:55.27
Tamara
Yeah.
00:53:56.88
Alistair
we're basically at the tail end i think just yesterday
00:53:57.86
Tamara
We're almost done.
00:54:00.83
Alistair
We sat down and plotted out. what we really needed to do next to get to the end and it's it's not a whole lot.
00:54:03.03
Tamara
The very last.
00:54:06.52
Tamara
Yeah. No, we're almost there. 40 pages maybe.
00:54:09.27
Alistair
Yep.
00:54:10.35
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, my God.
00:54:10.83
Tamara
which for us is.
00:54:10.86
Wednesday Lee Friday
I'm so jealous. Well, you know, I started.
00:54:12.26
Tamara
Thank you.
00:54:13.07
Wednesday Lee Friday
writing my trilogy in 2017. And.
00:54:17.28
Tamara
Ugh.
00:54:17.64
Wednesday Lee Friday
you know the first book came out in 2020 and then the next one was 2022 And the third one is is still not. out how do you how do you maintain a writing schedule that lets you write six freaking books in a series
00:54:31.06
Tamara
We do it every day.
00:54:33.04
Alistair
Yeah.
00:54:33.46
Wednesday Lee Friday
Ew!
00:54:34.60
Alistair
I know right.
00:54:34.77
Tamara
Right. Yeah, right now we're only. Normally we we were dividing. us into three books. like we do Ravencrest. solos we stay on together even when we're doing solos And we read to each other and help each other brainstorm.
00:54:49.19
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay.
00:54:51.93
Tamara
And. we We keep our office in the sky, basically, and that keeps us honest. And then we do. you know some other book like the The Spite House Chronicles. But that got too busy, so...
00:55:05.36
Tamara
Normally we do two books. during the day ravencrest and our solos right now because we're so close to the end of ravencrast and because we have a number of other things that are interfering with our output daily.
00:55:18.01
Tamara
We're just doing Ravencrest. We want to finish it. and it's going to need rewriting.
00:55:21.18
Alistair
Yeah.
00:55:23.07
Tamara
more than normal because boy is this a complicated one
00:55:26.24
Alistair
Yeah.
00:55:26.83
Tamara
And. where the whole town. that lives beneath the manor of Ravencrest has gone insane. And. So there's all these characters and all this wackadoodle stuff is going on. And we're just, we're having a hard time stopping.
00:55:41.63
Tamara
writing it because it's too much fun
00:55:43.85
Alistair
Right.
00:55:43.83
Tamara
but That's all we're writing right now. Stop.
00:55:46.63
Alistair
Exactly. And so I finished, I finished
00:55:47.30
Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow.
00:55:49.75
Alistair
So the Red Scarab is... The seventh book in my solo.
00:55:51.93
Tamara
Yeah.
00:55:54.16
Alistair
Vampire series and that came out in October 1st. So that's been out for about a week. but
00:56:00.53
Tamara
And it's blood.
00:56:01.69
Alistair
but the thing is is as soon as we were done with as soon as i got done with that i wanted to Bye. some time into that because um I usually do i We try to release...
00:56:14.18
Alistair
a solo novel and a collaborative you know novel at least every year. and i wasn't able to i missed last year in my in the Vampires of Crimson Cove series.
00:56:24.09
Tamara
That's it.
00:56:25.56
Alistair
um It took me two years to write. Book seven. and then that's not because of the book itself that's because of you know stuff that was going on.
00:56:29.52
Tamara
I'm on my third year. So yeah.
00:56:34.28
Tamara
Yeah.
00:56:34.68
Alistair
and um So I needed to hurry and finish. that and get it done and I did and so now I'm like okay We're gonna just... focus on Ravencrest.
00:56:45.45
Tamara
Yep.
00:56:45.96
Alistair
I want to get that done.
00:56:47.58
Tamara
Yeah. That'll be out. early spring.
00:56:52.53
Alistair
I would think so.
00:56:52.81
Tamara
because we want to do the right rewrite we normally Just... go lightly over things but this time we have enough stuff that we We need to go in and add add and subtract a few things.
00:57:03.65
Tamara
And that's unusual. We don't usually have to rewrite.
00:57:06.60
Alistair
Yeah.
00:57:06.46
Tamara
but Why do we have a few pages of notes
00:57:10.62
Alistair
Yeah, I don't know.
00:57:10.72
Wednesday Lee Friday
ah Now.
00:57:12.24
Alistair
um
00:57:12.81
Wednesday Lee Friday
i definitely want to get into the spite house chronicles but before we do i have to mention the names of our sponsors because these are the people that help us out help us pay for the website and the equipment and you know
00:57:28.44
Wednesday Lee Friday
All the stuff that we need to keep the show going. So, we want to thank Allison Huff, Kathy Martin, Nimue Ravenfall, Bradley and Fred, ThatOneFool, SupporterX, Shannon Fleckenstein, Lowkey,
00:57:43.69
Wednesday Lee Friday
Brianna Simmons and that damn gym. So thanks to all of those folks. If you would like to become a supporter.
00:57:52.11
Wednesday Lee Friday
You can find us on Ko-fi. That's K-O hyphen F-I. We're listed as sometimes hilarious horror, but if you search for the Mentally Oddcast, we'll come right up and we'll read your name on the show. And if you want to do a message, some people have given me messages in the past. I don't have any this week, but we'll read a one-liner to say hi to your mom or say Trump sucks or whatever it is that you would like to have us say.
00:58:17.76
Wednesday Lee Friday
that isn't terrible. so So that's that. Now. We definitely want to talk about the Spite House Chronicles. I have not read any of these yet, so I need information.
00:58:31.44
Tamara
Well. The first thing to know is. It's actually one gigantic book, you know, like Lord of the Rings. um
00:58:38.35
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay.
00:58:39.20
Tamara
well not quite like that but It's not three. It's part one, two, and three. We just really got carried away. and Yeah. he giggles and It doesn't have the best giggle.
00:58:52.55
Tamara
um
00:58:52.97
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, they're Chronicles. That's how Chronicles work, right?
00:58:55.59
Tamara
Oh.
00:58:55.63
Alistair
Right.
00:58:56.37
Tamara
Sure, okay. um that sounds good to me
00:58:58.45
Alistair
Okay.
00:58:59.54
Tamara
Yes. It's basically our take. Everybody does one on. um wait it's not Not right to call it Ten Little Indians anymore. And then there were none.
00:59:10.09
Tamara
you know where you seclude all the writers together.
00:59:10.74
Wednesday Lee Friday
Ten little nails. Americans. Oh, no, I'm sorry.
00:59:12.71
Alistair
Yeah.
00:59:12.88
Wednesday Lee Friday
Ten ten little Indigenous individuals.
00:59:15.23
Alistair
Yeah.
00:59:15.96
Tamara
individuals. That's it. Yeah. And then there were none.
00:59:18.07
Wednesday Lee Friday
who are non-gender specific. Um...
00:59:20.84
Tamara
Exactly. Exactly.
00:59:24.28
Alistair
It's a really long title.
00:59:24.20
Tamara
And. Yeah.
00:59:26.50
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right?
00:59:27.42
Tamara
Yeah. and
00:59:27.93
Wednesday Lee Friday
It rolls off the tongue.
00:59:29.96
Tamara
Years ago.
00:59:30.15
Wednesday Lee Friday
Um...
00:59:31.99
Tamara
yeah We were talking. and I was working from my friend's house. q and um she she's a kid's writer you wouldn't know what to listen to her though and she mentioned the word she showed us a picture well us because she brought it around so Alistair could see too. a picture of a spite house And then we just. oh that's interesting and then we said we should Call a book Spite House.
00:59:58.38
Tamara
And. So...
01:00:01.24
Wednesday Lee Friday
wait wait so a spite house is a thing because i don't know what what what that is what what is it
01:00:01.49
Tamara
We did.
01:00:03.64
Alistair
Yes it is.
01:00:04.73
Tamara
A Spite House. You want to tell her?
01:00:08.31
Alistair
Well, so... Basically. Like, okay, so if somebody builds... kind of Well, you tell her. I get it.
01:00:16.54
Tamara
Oh, okay.
01:00:16.56
Wednesday Lee Friday
but
01:00:17.37
Alistair
Yeah, yeah.
01:00:18.02
Tamara
uh it's usually a little bitty skinny house that shoved in between two big houses like in the city
01:00:17.93
Alistair
you
01:00:24.79
Tamara
i just saw a picture of one it was a house that people A skyscraper wanted to be put up. well it didn't want to be put up but you know what i mean um
01:00:33.80
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right.
01:00:34.96
Tamara
And but they wouldn't sell this piece of property that was maybe. two or three stories high it was very old And so the skyc skyscraper is built around it. and the first part of the skyscraper is and in is indented.
01:00:48.03
Tamara
And then it comes out over the little house. And so you would call that a spite house because it's. either built out of spite to ruin a view or it was already there and wouldn't be taken down.
01:01:00.26
Tamara
but um
01:01:02.04
Wednesday Lee Friday
oh
01:01:02.82
Alistair
Yeah, it's it's ah it's a real thing.
01:01:03.08
Tamara
Yeah. It's.
01:01:04.78
Alistair
and And I had never heard of it either.
01:01:05.25
Tamara
Yeah, it's a literal.
01:01:06.77
Alistair
I had never heard of it either. And I was like.
01:01:08.08
Tamara
No. i hadn't either until q showed us that picture
01:01:09.97
Alistair
That's a great title right there, Spite House.
01:01:12.34
Tamara
Yeah.
01:01:13.00
Alistair
Yeah.
01:01:13.08
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
01:01:13.39
Tamara
and so Yeah, when when a push came to shove at the very end and we found out somebody else was using that title too, we hurried up and got ours out first.
01:01:21.25
Alistair
Yeah we did.
01:01:22.48
Tamara
Yes.
01:01:22.73
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh wow.
01:01:23.29
Tamara
we were kind of scratching our butts and taking our time oh no we need a pub date fast so um It's about... This. It takes place in the same town as Mother, but up on Snapdragon Lake, the town of Snapdragon.
01:01:38.33
Tamara
up in the mountains. And this family has this house and it's not. It's this huge house and it's called... Spite House. by the town because people that work there.
01:01:50.64
Tamara
Uh, and all that that the people were mean that owners of Spite House. And that's why it's called Spite House. It's not little. But. Me. You tell him, Alistair, I need to drink water.
01:02:02.37
Alistair
So so it's it's It's actually...
01:02:03.54
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
01:02:06.76
Alistair
Kind of mother adjacent it takes all of our books take place in the same
01:02:08.82
Tamara
Yes.
01:02:11.70
Alistair
universe.
01:02:12.82
Tamara
Yeah.
01:02:12.89
Alistair
so Yeah.
01:02:12.93
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay.
01:02:14.22
Alistair
So we've got like, you know. syndications that go across you know it's it's all the same universe but um The Spy House Chronicles are... much more mother adjacent um because it's in the same area and basically It's...
01:02:29.65
Alistair
How do I say it succinctly? it's It's about a really twisted family. And that's another way that it's like. mother. I mean, we've got inbreeding incest.
01:02:40.23
Alistair
Yeah. It's just, it's just.
01:02:43.58
Tamara
Oh, yeah, the little.
01:02:43.85
Alistair
ghosts. It's supernatural.
01:02:44.92
Tamara
Yeah.
01:02:46.27
Alistair
um All kinds of... just twisted family stuff. I don't know why we always come back to the weird family stuff but we do.
01:02:54.79
Tamara
We like it.
01:02:55.70
Alistair
you know, lift it.
01:02:55.89
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yes you do.
01:02:56.33
Tamara
And it's something everybody knows.
01:02:56.64
Wednesday Lee Friday
Come on now.
01:02:56.87
Alistair
It's fun.
01:02:58.63
Tamara
The writer.
01:02:58.71
Alistair
i think I think because families should be safe and when you take that away.
01:03:01.95
Tamara
Yeah.
01:03:03.15
Alistair
You've got to...
01:03:03.31
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right.
01:03:03.71
Tamara
Yeah.
01:03:04.08
Alistair
yeah yeah
01:03:04.90
Tamara
The writers are a... There's one, Holly Tremaine. She's actually As a... 11 year old, I think. in my novel brimstone she's the the little girl it's a coming of age ghost story brimstone is and She's the heroine of it.
01:03:23.14
Tamara
And. or the protagonist anyway and so now she's a 60ish woman. And.
01:03:32.14
Tamara
a mystery writer. So I got to take her from her childhood to that. And there's a... ah male writer that's her friend and Nathan and what does he he's a mystery or he's the male agatha christie
01:03:45.91
Alistair
Yeah.
01:03:46.16
Tamara
And then we have. Birdie Bridges Burn.
01:03:49.29
Alistair
thanks
01:03:49.95
Tamara
Bridges. Get it?
01:03:52.43
Alistair
Yeah.
01:03:52.59
Tamara
um He's awful. And we have, what, Louisa?
01:03:58.34
Alistair
With the angle, she's...
01:03:58.30
Tamara
She's equally awful.
01:03:59.89
Alistair
Yeah.
01:04:01.28
Tamara
She is.
01:04:01.26
Alistair
we're We're poking fun at certain things, certain types.
01:04:03.94
Tamara
cheap. Yes.
01:04:05.05
Alistair
But yeah, we did the whole mystery writers retreat thing on an island.
01:04:08.96
Tamara
Mm hmm.
01:04:10.31
Alistair
But it's an island of a twisted family with with inbred children running around.
01:04:14.67
Tamara
Yeah. Oh, it's so good. Yeah, they were circus folk. And. They lived there for a time. Boy, it's all coming back to me now.
01:04:23.15
Alistair
Yeah, me too. I'm like, I don't remember.
01:04:24.42
Tamara
Yes.
01:04:25.09
Wednesday Lee Friday
will
01:04:24.97
Alistair
I gotta think about this.
01:04:25.86
Tamara
That was fun. We should reread that. and Yeah. And...
01:04:30.88
Wednesday Lee Friday
Now. Another thing about your books that I think is very worth mentioning is that your covers are stunning.
01:04:31.91
Tamara
Yeah.
01:04:38.57
Wednesday Lee Friday
so um but you guys aren't artists so is that ai or how are you
01:04:42.56
Tamara
No.
01:04:43.66
Wednesday Lee Friday
ah
01:04:44.28
Alistair
No, I mean wait We have not used AI.
01:04:45.11
Tamara
No, it's a real artist.
01:04:50.05
Tamara
No.
01:04:51.21
Alistair
We have.
01:04:51.21
Wednesday Lee Friday
I'm joking, I know you wouldn't use AI.
01:04:52.52
Alistair
we've we've been we've you know
01:04:53.58
Wednesday Lee Friday
We don't we don't platform AI artists, so you couldn't be here if you were using AI covers.
01:04:55.96
Alistair
Yeah. Like like everybody else in this business and probably every other business We have been accused.
01:05:05.22
Tamara
Oh God. Of course.
01:05:07.10
Alistair
But no, we actually have an artist he's he's actually what he is mainly is he's a website designer. he designs websites and he and he does all the artwork for the websites that the company designs.
01:05:21.79
Tamara
Yeah.
01:05:22.39
Alistair
i saw it and
01:05:22.62
Tamara
And he does our websites too, by the way.
01:05:23.97
Alistair
Yeah, I saw some of the stuff he did, and I loved... The way he played with color, I loved the simplicity. uh you know, simple but powerful, which I think is important in a cover.
01:05:33.100
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm hmm.
01:05:34.68
Alistair
It's just, you know, bold but not... But anyway, and and I thought, I wonder if he could do... you know book covers and He does, and he does them well.
01:05:45.43
Alistair
And yeah, that's, that's.
01:05:48.06
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, he does. I mean, they're all bangers.
01:05:48.89
Tamara
Yeah.
01:05:49.68
Wednesday Lee Friday
Seriously.
01:05:50.51
Alistair
Yeah.
01:05:50.68
Wednesday Lee Friday
They're they're fantastic.
01:05:51.27
Tamara
Thank you.
01:05:52.54
Alistair
Yeah.
01:05:52.46
Tamara
He says he enjoys doing this because it's different than doing websites. that so
01:05:57.21
Alistair
Yeah, he and he really he was a lot of fun with it because when you're doing a website, you know, of course you have to you know, he he he gets to get you know, kind of dark and spooky with our covers and
01:05:58.19
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
01:06:06.93
Alistair
we kind of let him do his thing we kind of just say you know here's the basic idea here's what the book is about I've learned. that Because we watch him do them in real time.
01:06:19.01
Alistair
like you know we're on it on the computer and we're like on the share screen thing or whatever and we watch him in you know photoshop or whatever he's using we watch him you know do it.
01:06:19.46
Tamara
Mm-hmm
01:06:30.88
Alistair
And I've learned. that You kind of let the artists do their own thing. I think that by by pushing your... vision too much you're robbing yourself.
01:06:43.95
Tamara
mm-hmm
01:06:43.92
Alistair
Of. your the artists ability i'm not an artist you know what i mean i'm going to tell you Put this on the cover, put this on the cover, put this.
01:06:48.59
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right.
01:06:50.80
Alistair
Oh, and then do this and then do this and then do this. And I'm going to end up with this ugly ass.
01:06:55.80
Tamara
Yeah.
01:06:56.62
Alistair
Eyesore.
01:06:56.97
Tamara
You get it. Yeah. You give a mug. uh general idea it would be like if If the artist wanted us to write something, He might say oh write something about a spooky haunted house with somebody peering out the window And that's fine. We can do that. But if he started telling us.
01:07:16.09
Tamara
and then make these certain kind of curtains and it would be a problem and that that's yeah
01:07:18.61
Alistair
Right.
01:07:22.01
Alistair
Right.
01:07:22.79
Tamara
So you turn the artist loose.
01:07:24.69
Alistair
Exactly. you Basically, you find a good artist, you you give them the basic idea of what you're trying to do, get make sure the tone is right, and then just let them do their thing. and if they're the right artist they're gonna they're gonna
01:07:35.82
Tamara
Yeah.
01:07:36.85
Alistair
They're going to, you know.
01:07:37.57
Wednesday Lee Friday
that That makes a lot of sense. I remember but when my first... A couple of books came out. i didn't I was with a small press, but I didn't have any input on the cover design.
01:07:48.14
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, it was.
01:07:48.20
Tamara
That's normal. Yeah
01:07:49.30
Alistair
Yeah.
01:07:49.53
Wednesday Lee Friday
they yeah i i did not know that but yes i found out that that was quite typical that unless you were publishing your own book you you probably would have very little to say And my first cover for a stabbing for Sadie, it's a really cool cover.
01:08:00.37
Tamara
Oh.
01:08:05.56
Wednesday Lee Friday
but I had to like warm up to it.
01:08:05.72
Tamara
Uh huh.
01:08:08.06
Wednesday Lee Friday
because I had a pretty distinct picture of what I wanted the cover to be, and I had told my publisher about that, but ah for whatever reason...
01:08:12.62
Alistair
Right.
01:08:12.82
Tamara
Mm-hmm.
01:08:18.05
Wednesday Lee Friday
he I think that the... the style at the time. was that he would give the book to the artist, the artist would read it. And then come up with a cover and send it to the publisher for approval.
01:08:30.31
Wednesday Lee Friday
So that was the process as far as I know.
01:08:30.46
Alistair
Yeah.
01:08:31.32
Tamara
yeah
01:08:32.39
Wednesday Lee Friday
And so I got this cover back and was like. Okay, so so that's it, huh? And.
01:08:38.75
Tamara
Yeah.
01:08:38.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, I had to because I mean, again, it's a really cool cover, but because it wasn't what I was expecting, I really had to spend some time warming up to it because, you know, it's your first book.
01:08:50.57
Wednesday Lee Friday
So every revelation, everything that happens is like, oh, wow.
01:08:50.68
Alistair
right
01:08:51.30
Tamara
Oh yeah.
01:08:55.07
Tamara
Yeah. oh
01:08:56.14
Wednesday Lee Friday
First of all, you can't fucking believe that any of it's happening. to you you know depending at like where your imposter syndrome is when your first book comes out
01:09:00.66
Tamara
right
01:09:00.91
Alistair
right
01:09:01.40
Tamara
Yeah.
01:09:05.66
Wednesday Lee Friday
But...
01:09:06.34
Tamara
Yeah.
01:09:07.28
Alistair
I think, yeah, and i think I think the important thing, and this is one of the things that I learned.
01:09:07.30
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, I just...
01:09:07.59
Tamara
i
01:09:12.21
Alistair
early on is the cover is the packaging. the cover needs the cover needs to
01:09:16.74
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yes.
01:09:19.80
Alistair
sell the product not necessarily tell the story. And what I mean by that is, okay, so like for for my book.
01:09:24.75
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm hmm.
01:09:27.70
Alistair
sleep. Savannah sleep It's a paranormal murder mystery. and we did this cover um And he did like this, this kind of like.
01:09:39.05
Alistair
ghostly looking woman in the woods and she's got this long black hair and the ghost in the story is a blonde. And I'm thinking, well...
01:09:50.23
Alistair
but she's blonde. That's not Savannah. Savannah's a blonde, you know, and I'm kind of getting hung up on this and it's like, okay, well, let's, let's make her hair blonde.
01:09:54.33
Tamara
yeah
01:09:57.44
Alistair
I'm all boy, that loses off. it just it doesn't have the same
01:09:59.96
Tamara
yeah
01:10:02.19
Alistair
maybe at all.
01:10:02.21
Tamara
Yeah.
01:10:03.58
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mhm.
01:10:03.32
Alistair
and Okay, you know what? You're right. this is this is this Tells... The perspective. reader. what kind of story this is, exactly what they're in for.
01:10:15.66
Tamara
Yeah.
01:10:16.17
Alistair
um by making the ghost this you know beautiful blonde, which she is in the in the book. um It just loses... some of that just loses the vibe.
01:10:28.21
Tamara
the sinister.
01:10:29.28
Alistair
Yeah.
01:10:30.08
Tamara
Yeah, when I...
01:10:30.13
Alistair
so So, you know... If anybody writes to me and says, well, I thought Savannah was a blonde. I don't care.
01:10:35.67
Tamara
Oh, God, yeah. Yeah, it's it's still. is jarring. I started with big five publishers.
01:10:40.43
Wednesday Lee Friday
It's the lighting.
01:10:41.91
Alistair
Yeah, exactly
01:10:41.98
Tamara
yeah Yeah. Oh. The stuff I saw from the big five, you know, you can't argue with. Simon & Schuster. They're going to do what they want. And they change titles too.
01:10:51.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right.
01:10:54.58
Tamara
And. like there was nothing to say one of them which turned into bad things was originally called panic at simon schuster and it was um They gave me a cover.
01:11:05.87
Tamara
It was all blue and purple or magenta, which I love those colors, but it looked like a plant pulling Bruce Willis and in a wife. t-shirt out the window. and it was just like okay but I couldn't do anything about it.
01:11:19.41
Tamara
then and and
01:11:20.12
Wednesday Lee Friday
up
01:11:21.09
Tamara
they just do what they want And then when Moonfall came out, it turned out everybody loved the cover but me. it a big gargoyle i think that's where you just Covered me up.
01:11:31.62
Alistair
That is the one. that is that And you know what?
01:11:33.09
Tamara
Yeah.
01:11:34.10
Alistair
I have a great big poster in my writing office.
01:11:36.47
Tamara
Oh, you do? I gave it to you.
01:11:38.12
Alistair
Yeah, I'm looking at it right now and it's a great big poster of of
01:11:38.42
Tamara
Yeah.
01:11:41.82
Tamara
i'm glad you like it He's that cover.
01:11:43.02
Alistair
about of that cheesy. of that cheesy gargoyle.
01:11:47.22
Tamara
Yeah. I'm glad it has love now.
01:11:50.02
Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow
01:11:50.88
Alistair
It does. I love it.
01:11:52.43
Tamara
Yeah. But they do things and like. Haunted. was um That's always been my biggest hit and I think it's the title. And. My title, which my editor, who's still...
01:12:05.55
Tamara
Big pal of mine. loved as well was saint no that was Moonfall was St. Gruesome's. They made us change that too.
01:12:13.22
Alistair
Haunted was Body House.
01:12:14.92
Tamara
body house yes v-o-d-y house And. That was the nickname of the haunted house. They even made a cover for it. And then they said, no, we can't use that title. And they wanted to use haunted.
01:12:27.27
Tamara
And at the time I didn't realize that it was okay to use the same title over and over because I'm going, no, that's James Herbert's title. I love that book.
01:12:35.92
Wednesday Lee Friday
right right
01:12:36.23
Tamara
You can't skip. Of course we can. Well, it was the best thing that ever happened. And. and the and the tie the cover The cover we have now.
01:12:48.11
Tamara
Um, is sort of an homage to the cover that they used. Because it sold so well.
01:12:54.94
Alistair
Yeah.
01:12:55.50
Tamara
and So sometimes they make really good. choices and sometimes time you get bruce willis being eaten by a plant ah Oh.
01:13:05.26
Wednesday Lee Friday
Isn't that always the way?
01:13:05.62
Alistair
I covered both. I love that cover though, but I don't know that I would have.
01:13:07.98
Tamara
It is.
01:13:11.13
Alistair
necessarily seen it that way but I'm like oh my god it does it looks like is it looks like a
01:13:16.64
Tamara
This is a die-hard era.
01:13:16.45
Alistair
Like a poster for Die Hard, except for with plants.
01:13:17.80
Tamara
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:13:24.06
Wednesday Lee Friday
So you guys are giving us a reading. that we will be putting on the end of the episode. um And it's it's a short story, right? Like, what what do you have for us?
01:13:33.62
Tamara
Oh no, we don't write short stories if we're not capable of that. um we we'll give you something from our
01:13:38.48
Wednesday Lee Friday
So it's a long story?
01:13:40.96
Tamara
No, it's an excerpt from a chapter. um We don't even write short chapters usually.
01:13:44.19
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay, cool.
01:13:47.26
Tamara
um Oh. We'll figure out what it is exactly. and It'll be from the new. Should we say the title, Alistair?
01:13:56.87
Alistair
Yeah, we can we can do the title drop
01:13:58.18
Tamara
Yeah. It's books. six
01:14:01.04
Alistair
Six.
01:14:01.99
Tamara
of um
01:14:04.34
Alistair
The Ravencrest Saga.
01:14:04.20
Tamara
The Red Crest Saga. And it's called The Curse of Devil's Wood.
01:14:09.04
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay. All right, sweet.
01:14:09.89
Alistair
duncan man
01:14:11.26
Wednesday Lee Friday
So we'll have that after the, uh, the close of the episode.
01:14:16.06
Tamara
Okay.
01:14:15.100
Wednesday Lee Friday
So what I need to know though, is like, let's say someone has not read any of your stuff. Okay. Any Thorn and Cross book. And they have decided that they're going to pick up one.
01:14:27.55
Wednesday Lee Friday
They're going to read it. And that is going to make or break whether or not they read more of your work. So which book would you recommend?
01:14:34.74
Tamara
Depends on what they like. If they like supernatural and gothic. The Ghosts of Ravencrest. If they like thrillers, Mother. If they just like a big old ghost story. um It could be...
01:14:51.03
Tamara
The Cliff House Haunting, and it could be... Byte House. that's That's a big investment, though, because that's really three books.
01:14:57.89
Wednesday Lee Friday
Hmm.
01:14:58.07
Tamara
What else am I listening to?
01:14:58.16
Wednesday Lee Friday
yep yep
01:14:59.99
Alistair
I don't know. I mean, because, oh, and if you like vampires, you can do darling girls and darling girls.
01:15:04.21
Tamara
But that's actually... Yeah, that that goes with both our books, yeah.
01:15:05.70
Alistair
Darling girl says it. is um in an interesting merging of my characters. from the Vampires of Crimson Cove series and Tamra's characters in Candle Bay, because of course they're vampires and they all know each other, right?
01:15:12.78
Tamara
Am I?
01:15:19.09
Tamara
Yeah. i don't
01:15:19.57
Alistair
So Darling Girls is... is Kind of a continuation of Candle Bay and kind of a companion novel to the Vampires of Crimson Corpse series.
01:15:26.96
Tamara
yeah So I don't know if you could read that one first without reading it. I guess you could.
01:15:33.52
Alistair
I mean, you could, you could, but you're going to get the whole story.
01:15:34.45
Tamara
much time.
01:15:37.17
Tamara
Okay.
01:15:36.78
Alistair
You're going to get, you know, I believe you can pretty much read you know any book. Uh,
01:15:41.85
Tamara
Yeah.
01:15:42.73
Alistair
and You know, because there's going to be. if the writers if the author is is doing you know ah a good job there's going to be a basic premise you know you know the whole the the story arc and the the climax you're going to get all that and anything that you know you read of ours there's going to be a main story that is
01:15:55.51
Tamara
Yeah.
01:16:01.16
Alistair
resolved. But there will be side stuff that that you'd want to read. the other stuff forward.
01:16:06.69
Tamara
If you like The Shining, go for The Cliff House Haunting. If you like gothics, go for ravenrat Ghosts of Ravencrest. If you like thrillers, go for Mother.
01:16:15.71
Alistair
Yeah.
01:16:16.25
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay, cool. Cool. Yeah, Mother was definitely the one that that sucked me in. And, uh... Yeah. then it
01:16:24.30
Tamara
We're talking about doing more of those, the family series.
01:16:24.74
Wednesday Lee Friday
just STIR-
01:16:27.56
Tamara
so
01:16:27.87
Alistair
Yeah.
01:16:28.05
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, wow. Wow.
01:16:29.22
Alistair
Yeah, we thought we thought what if we did mother what if we did
01:16:29.53
Tamara
No.
01:16:33.20
Alistair
you know father what if we did you know not that we would necessarily call it that but what if we did one
01:16:34.96
Tamara
Son, daughter. Second cousin.
01:16:38.55
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, no, you'd obviously call it the Potato Salad Chronicles.
01:16:39.32
Tamara
Yeah.
01:16:41.83
Alistair
Right.
01:16:41.40
Wednesday Lee Friday
or um
01:16:42.15
Tamara
Yeah.
01:16:43.85
Wednesday Lee Friday
the the The Chesapeake cookie mystery.
01:16:43.83
Tamara
Yeah, we have one all plotted out. but
01:16:46.17
Wednesday Lee Friday
um
01:16:47.19
Tamara
Yeah.
01:16:47.28
Alistair
but since we But since we always come back to... these twisted family dynamics and these
01:16:54.05
Tamara
Mm-hmm.
01:16:54.36
Alistair
you know sick buried family secrets and these you know twisted characters
01:16:58.32
Tamara
Peyton Place for horror lovers.
01:17:00.02
Alistair
Exactly.
01:17:00.22
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, yeah, do it up.
01:17:00.89
Alistair
expense to essentially. exactly since we always do that we thought what if we
01:17:03.22
Tamara
Yeah.
01:17:05.39
Alistair
did that in the same vein As mother.
01:17:07.91
Tamara
Yeah, we We've got one in the chute. ready to go but we also have a new raven crest going right me and so it's really hard especially when we're pressed for time to decide what to do.
01:17:20.65
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh sure, sure.
01:17:21.83
Tamara
so that Yeah.
01:17:23.76
Wednesday Lee Friday
So we're actually nearing the end of our question list. So I need to know, was there anything you guys wanted to cover that we have not gotten to?
01:17:32.64
Tamara
Well, I got to tell you about Alistair's new book, really.
01:17:36.14
Alistair
Ouch.
01:17:36.26
Tamara
um
01:17:36.20
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh do it.
01:17:37.34
Tamara
The... the and
01:17:42.75
Tamara
Okay, the red scarab.
01:17:44.07
Alistair
Yeah.
01:17:44.14
Tamara
um I...
01:17:45.56
Alistair
She doesn't even know the title of it. That's how good it is.
01:17:48.69
Tamara
No, no, I was going Crimson Scarab. That's not right. This is Crimson Cove.
01:17:53.95
Wednesday Lee Friday
distances
01:17:54.72
Tamara
Um, No, I've just finished reading this book at least three times because we read everything out loud over and over. and you know all that And I got to tell you. it's it's the best yet Alistair does.
01:18:07.70
Tamara
The most. ah incredible monsters. He branches out. He doesn't just write about vampires. that's why i like is i'm not a big vampire fan honestly But he...
01:18:19.44
Tamara
Oh my God, he's good. But... This book. has something for everyone. We meet. his main character. Cade He's a vampire hunter now, but a monster hunter.
01:18:32.60
Tamara
With this with this Powell the priest. um He goes on a road trip. After a monster. And in the process, he meets his grandmother.
01:18:45.50
Tamara
And it's out. And. wednesday you're gonna love this grandmother oh she's a cooker Oh talk about a monster.
01:18:52.03
Alistair
okay
01:18:53.06
Wednesday Lee Friday
if
01:18:54.59
Tamara
Um.
01:18:54.86
Alistair
more twisted family stuff.
01:18:55.24
Wednesday Lee Friday
Sweet.
01:18:56.26
Tamara
Yeah. Super twisted family stuff. he He has stayed away from his family because of all this other twisted family stuff that his brother Brooks, who's... this really hunky guy who's also a been turned into a vampire, but he's a good guy.
01:19:11.51
Tamara
um
01:19:14.43
Tamara
had things to do with it. they hate the family you know and their parents are dead. but the grandmother is the key to it all and we find out more stuff than you would believe not only about Why?
01:19:30.67
Tamara
the family is hated, but about Why? Cade. is a vampire hunter. It's in the blood.
01:19:40.67
Alistair
Yeah.
01:19:40.95
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh wow.
01:19:41.15
Tamara
which We know already, but we don't know. how deeply it's in the blood but The twisted family dynamics is just fantastic here. It's so much fun to read and to watch Porkade.
01:19:54.65
Tamara
twisting every which way.
01:19:57.39
Alistair
Yeah.
01:19:57.64
Tamara
And then there's it. Can I say the monster's name?
01:20:00.77
Alistair
Sure.
01:20:01.91
Tamara
And Demian. we meet endymion that's the monster they're after and he is totally more interesting than you would ever suspect a monster to be.
01:20:13.79
Tamara
And if any of your listeners have read The Black Wasp.
01:20:13.87
Wednesday Lee Friday
hu
01:20:17.42
Tamara
He's related to the black wasp. Only he's even better. And she was my favorite until now. Now Endymion is. and he's not a vampire. He's something else.
01:20:27.83
Tamara
And I can't say what. End.
01:20:29.91
Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow.
01:20:31.27
Tamara
God. You gotta read Alistair. He's the... best thing since. sliced bread Betty White. I'm not kidding. I can hear him blushing now. That's so cute.
01:20:41.22
Alistair
I am.
01:20:41.33
Wednesday Lee Friday
I don't know, man. i'm I'm really into sliced bread. It's it's like one of my...
01:20:44.98
Tamara
Yeah.
01:20:45.54
Wednesday Lee Friday
my Main things.
01:20:47.71
Alistair
See, this is this is the other great thing.
01:20:47.63
Wednesday Lee Friday
A little garlic.
01:20:48.50
Tamara
Yeah.
01:20:49.35
Wednesday Lee Friday
um
01:20:50.20
Alistair
not having
01:20:50.60
Tamara
so Yeah.
01:20:51.81
Alistair
This is the other great thing about having a collaborator they can do your pimping for you
01:20:56.97
Tamara
They can he didn't know I was gonna do that
01:20:56.90
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, sounds like.
01:20:59.37
Tamara
Yeah.
01:20:59.39
Alistair
I was giving her cue cards. no i'm just seeing
01:21:01.62
Tamara
Yeah.
01:21:02.04
Wednesday Lee Friday
ah
01:21:02.58
Tamara
no he had no idea
01:21:04.06
Alistair
No, I did not.
01:21:04.42
Tamara
Uh,
01:21:05.11
Alistair
Thank you. That means a lot to me.
01:21:05.65
Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow.
01:21:05.98
Tamara
No.
01:21:07.11
Alistair
And even to this day, also, I have to say, even to this day. hearing camera you know, whose books I grew up loving. and Hearing her say that see that's what I mean right there when you asked me, you know What did it teach me about my writing, you know?
01:21:22.42
Alistair
if someone like her thinks that what I do is good.
01:21:24.72
Tamara
but
01:21:26.78
Alistair
I'm happy.
01:21:28.62
Tamara
Aww.
01:21:29.76
Wednesday Lee Friday
No, I get it, man. That's totally relatable. You know why? because I once asked a writer that I admire to write a foreword for one of my short collections.
01:21:40.39
Wednesday Lee Friday
And the things that he said. Initially, I said, oh, how kind, how kind that this person would say all these nice things about our story. or my stories, and my husband said,
01:21:51.97
Wednesday Lee Friday
he's He's not being kind. He's saying what he likes about them. Oh, and that person was was you, Alistair.
01:21:56.78
Alistair
absolutely
01:21:57.33
Tamara
Aww.
01:22:00.01
Wednesday Lee Friday
So...
01:22:00.03
Alistair
And I loved it.
01:22:00.27
Tamara
oh
01:22:01.21
Alistair
And I loved it.
01:22:01.73
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well...
01:22:01.98
Alistair
I did.
01:22:02.69
Wednesday Lee Friday
And it was it was so... heartwarming and validating because I always perceive things like that as people are so nice. They're so kind. And my husband will correct me in saying, no, they legitimately like your work. They're not just. being nice.
01:22:20.03
Tamara
You sure are married to a good guy.
01:22:20.33
Alistair
Yeah.
01:22:22.04
Wednesday Lee Friday
I really am.
01:22:22.11
Alistair
Yeah.
01:22:22.86
Wednesday Lee Friday
I really am.
01:22:23.64
Tamara
Yeah.
01:22:24.54
Wednesday Lee Friday
Uh...
01:22:24.68
Tamara
I love what you say about him. Yeah.
01:22:28.48
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
01:22:29.03
Tamara
Absolutely.
01:22:29.32
Wednesday Lee Friday
He's a good one.
01:22:29.82
Alistair
But yeah, i i truly I truly meant it. I loved, I loved. the book that that you you have me blurb on and i You know, if I would have hated it, it would have been like, oh, you know, kept me turning the pages or whatever.
01:22:42.11
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right, right.
01:22:42.38
Alistair
yeah
01:22:42.94
Tamara
yeah That's when you use the word interesting a lot.
01:22:45.87
Alistair
Yeah.
01:22:46.48
Wednesday Lee Friday
Boy, if you like horror, here here is some.
01:22:46.61
Alistair
This is very interesting.
01:22:46.66
Tamara
it's an interesting world
01:22:47.92
Alistair
speaking Yeah.
01:22:49.36
Tamara
Yeah.
01:22:50.65
Alistair
yeah exactly
01:22:51.34
Wednesday Lee Friday
um
01:22:50.85
Tamara
<unk>s Here's some horror. yeah It's interesting.
01:22:54.04
Alistair
yeah
01:22:55.40
Tamara
yeah
01:22:55.56
Alistair
The real generic ones. I like reading those things because sometimes, sometimes you can actually sense that. You're like, I don't think they were that impressed.
01:23:01.91
Tamara
Yeah.
01:23:03.92
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right.
01:23:04.18
Tamara
Yeah.
01:23:04.22
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right.
01:23:07.80
Tamara
yeah
01:23:07.93
Wednesday Lee Friday
Boy, this sure is... Book. Um...
01:23:12.21
Tamara
Yes. This is horror. of
01:23:16.67
Wednesday Lee Friday
There is a vampire in there, by God.
01:23:17.26
Tamara
I like this better. than you This is better than the seventh scary movie.
01:23:20.98
Wednesday Lee Friday
Beep, beep.
01:23:22.12
Tamara
Oh boy, is that bad. Oh. ah
01:23:24.90
Wednesday Lee Friday
ah ah Before we get to the Mad Lib, we always give guests a chance to ask me a question if they have one.
01:23:26.86
Tamara
Aww.
01:23:32.75
Wednesday Lee Friday
So if you do, now is the time for that.
01:23:35.100
Tamara
Yeah. We do. We want to know. about Halloween. for you.
01:23:43.79
Wednesday Lee Friday
The movie?
01:23:43.97
Tamara
What's your favorite thing? Well, no. um Do we want to make it? precise like your favorite movie or do we want to know about your favorite halloween memory I think that
01:23:56.07
Alistair
Let's do the Halloween memory.
01:23:57.68
Tamara
Yeah.
01:23:58.66
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh gosh, favorite Halloween memory!
01:24:01.38
Tamara
Whatever pops in your skull.
01:24:01.80
Wednesday Lee Friday
um
01:24:04.80
Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow, um
01:24:08.08
Tamara
We stumped her, Alistair.
01:24:08.16
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, see my-
01:24:09.62
Tamara
I'm sorry.
01:24:10.00
Wednesday Lee Friday
my No, well, you kind of I mean, my family sucks. So a lot of my Halloween memories are like me building it up in my mind a lot. And then.
01:24:18.69
Tamara
It doesn't have to be childhood.
01:24:20.93
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah. No, um, well And then, like... I mean I've been to some Some wild Halloween parties. I love. being you know i'm usually either a witch or a zombie depending on what's clean in my laundry depending on whether or not i can find my hat um
01:24:33.52
Tamara
ah huh
01:24:36.59
Tamara
but
01:24:39.74
Wednesday Lee Friday
but um You know, it's it's weird because as ah as a horror person, without children. Halloween as an adult.
01:24:51.85
Wednesday Lee Friday
isn't as remarkable a day as you know it's it's the busy time for the business because we do those those trick-or-treat packs of soaps so people can hand them out to trick-or-treaters and it's great too because every time somebody complains about how they don't want to
01:24:56.75
Tamara
Yeah.
01:25:02.76
Tamara
Uh huh.
01:25:10.27
Wednesday Lee Friday
you know how they have to take all these allergies into consideration i'm like it's so you don't have to um
01:25:14.01
Tamara
oo
01:25:17.51
Wednesday Lee Friday
because i guess that is hard if you have like school-age kids and you gotta to bring a treat
01:25:17.85
Tamara
who knows
01:25:22.33
Alistair
Yeah.
01:25:22.23
Wednesday Lee Friday
And you got to avoid like peanuts and tree nuts.
01:25:22.37
Tamara
Oh yeah.
01:25:25.46
Wednesday Lee Friday
And some kids can't have chocolate. some kids are diabetic there's gluten issues like there's a lot going on there
01:25:28.35
Tamara
Uh huh.
01:25:32.61
Wednesday Lee Friday
So. If you say like. these are soaps they smell like cherry almonds but they're labeled so kids won't eat them and they're in all these cool horror shapes like that's actually what i love about halloween now i love that time of year for the business and that i get to make instead of like filling very specific orders i can make things any color i want i can pull out all my crazy little molds
01:25:42.17
Tamara
Yeah.
01:25:47.65
Tamara
Oh nice.
01:25:57.29
Tamara
Oh fun.
01:25:57.45
Wednesday Lee Friday
So that is a lot of fun. Scared Soapless Halloween is where it's at. Plus, we always make a bunch of leftovers because at Christmas time... We do helping families. So people will contact us and say, hey, I know a family that can't afford a lot of gifts for their kids. Can you help them out? And then we make up.
01:26:16.79
Wednesday Lee Friday
Kid soaps and lip balms and, you know, little resin things, shakers and candle holders and stuff. So we can send out a nice package to these families that because the thing about being poor is that it's not just about.
01:26:31.31
Wednesday Lee Friday
the poverty itself, if you're poor for a long time and you feel like you kind of always have your hand out.
01:26:33.76
Tamara
ah hu
01:26:38.15
Wednesday Lee Friday
You don't get...
01:26:38.57
Tamara
Yeah.
01:26:39.14
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like. extras you know it's like when you go to the food bank and there's no spices there and it's like okay great I have a whole bunch of minute rights and that's going to keep us alive.
01:26:41.53
Tamara
Right.
01:26:48.44
Wednesday Lee Friday
but
01:26:48.96
Tamara
a
01:26:49.55
Wednesday Lee Friday
It's a big thing of minute rice. It's not going to taste that good.
01:26:52.15
Tamara
Yeah.
01:26:53.46
Wednesday Lee Friday
So that's that's our thing. We want to... give people something fun that they wouldn't get anywhere else that just says hey man people care about you we want you to be well and happy and please enjoy this whimsy courtesy of us
01:26:57.51
Tamara
spice things up a little. Yeah.
01:27:09.43
Tamara
How wonderful!
01:27:09.85
Wednesday Lee Friday
So yeah, i hadn't that hadn't really occurred to me, but that is what I like about... the the Halloween through through Christmas, actually, or through... a through uh you know the end of up up till epiphany so like january 6th i guess is the
01:27:21.16
Tamara
Yeah.
01:27:24.96
Tamara
Yeah.
01:27:25.19
Wednesday Lee Friday
the 13th day of Christmas or the 12th or whatever, you know.
01:27:29.32
Tamara
Oh, yeah, we covered that once in Ravencrest. Yeah.
01:27:33.44
Alistair
Yeah.
01:27:33.80
Wednesday Lee Friday
Hmm.
01:27:33.74
Alistair
Yeah.
01:27:34.89
Tamara
Yeah
01:27:35.06
Alistair
I love that.
01:27:34.90
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah. Yep.
01:27:35.51
Alistair
I love that you're doing that.
01:27:37.19
Tamara
I do too.
01:27:37.28
Alistair
That matters.
01:27:37.63
Tamara
I think that's wonderful.
01:27:38.01
Alistair
That's that's great.
01:27:40.01
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, you know they say that like i mean i wish i was a millionaire i wish i had like bezos money because man no one would ever be poor or hungry again. um
01:27:50.46
Tamara
Yeah. Yeah. That would be so great.
01:27:54.50
Wednesday Lee Friday
But yeah, it's it's a great thing to be able to do because a lot of times when people tell us about families, they'll offer to cover the shipping, which is... kind of the biggest expense now you know because the post office is so borked and honestly
01:28:05.74
Tamara
Oh yeah. That's horrible.
01:28:09.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
That's not entirely Trump because Biden did fuck all about. DeJoy in the post office his entire time in office. And as someone with a small business that relies on mail order.
01:28:21.01
Wednesday Lee Friday
That really kind of fucked us.
01:28:21.92
Tamara
It's... Yeah, it's really hard to mail anything. boy
01:28:28.59
Wednesday Lee Friday
So yeah, if if just a note, if if you're going to contact us about a family, it's super wonderful if you can chip in for the shipping. Um. Because.
01:28:37.40
Tamara
That seems very fair.
01:28:38.22
Wednesday Lee Friday
That's all out of pocket for us. all right kids i hope you're ready for this because it is time for the mad lib and because we have two guests we're gonna go every other person uh tamra we're gonna start with you uh i need adjectives i want you to give me one two three Four adjectives please.
01:28:52.11
Tamara
ah
01:28:58.45
Tamara
Four in a row?
01:28:59.76
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep.
01:29:00.47
Tamara
Um.
01:29:02.03
Alistair
yep
01:29:03.87
Tamara
Um. Oh, let's see Tumescently? Wait, that's an adverb.
01:29:08.90
Alistair
That's an ad word, yeah.
01:29:09.24
Tamara
Um.
01:29:10.52
Wednesday Lee Friday
Too much. We could say tumescent. That is an adjective.
01:29:13.49
Tamara
Okay, let's let's say that. um Dripping. Um. smelly. I'm really high class here. um um No.
01:29:29.27
Tamara
What else is there that's disgusting? um disgusting
01:29:33.29
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
01:29:35.69
Tamara
Oh good, she laughed. Okay.
01:29:37.30
Wednesday Lee Friday
All right. Alistair, I need one noun and then two plural nouns.
01:29:45.06
Alistair
Okay. um Let's see a noun. Kitten.
01:29:51.93
Alistair
and then two And then two plural nouns. um
01:29:57.18
Alistair
dildos
01:30:00.86
Alistair
Of course. and hope.
01:30:03.25
Wednesday Lee Friday
See how I phased I am.
01:30:05.13
Alistair
Thank you.
01:30:04.76
Wednesday Lee Friday
I'm just writing it down quietly.
01:30:05.30
Tamara
Yeah.
01:30:07.16
Alistair
And. clock readings.
01:30:15.76
Tamara
Poor kid. Okay.
01:30:17.10
Alistair
Oh, I know.
01:30:17.81
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
01:30:17.75
Alistair
Now that I think about it, I hope the kitten is okay.
01:30:22.24
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, I guess we'll see, won't we?
01:30:25.01
Tamara
Yeah.
01:30:24.72
Wednesday Lee Friday
Tamara, I need a place.
01:30:26.06
Tamara
Oh no. a place.
01:30:29.52
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm hmm.
01:30:29.78
Tamara
Um. well in honor of Alistair's new book, Salt Lake City.
01:30:37.97
Wednesday Lee Friday
Alright, and Alistair, I need a silly word.
01:30:43.39
Alistair
um
01:30:46.67
Alistair
Clamorilus.
01:30:50.92
Tamara
He named a cat that.
01:30:52.21
Alistair
I did.
01:30:52.45
Tamara
Oh!
01:30:52.36
Alistair
I have a neighborhood cat that comes around and I call it Clamorilus.
01:30:55.98
Tamara
Yeah.
01:30:58.100
Wednesday Lee Friday
Clamorilus. Okay.
01:31:01.100
Alistair
You can spell that however you want.
01:31:02.17
Wednesday Lee Friday
All right. I need each of you to give me a part of the buddy.
01:31:09.29
Tamara
Earlobe.
01:31:13.12
Alistair
I'm not going to get. go too far with this i want to but i'm not going to um My lap.
01:31:18.90
Tamara
Yeah.
01:31:21.27
Wednesday Lee Friday
All right, you know what? I need one more part of the body, and this one should be plural. Tamara.
01:31:28.31
Tamara
nostrils
01:31:33.11
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay, I need Alistair, it's your turn. So you are going to be person in room.
01:31:43.39
Alistair
Unnecessary.
01:31:43.43
Wednesday Lee Friday
And... i need I need two, okay, one animal from each of you, please.
01:31:44.58
Tamara
but
01:31:50.17
Tamara
and Awesome.
01:31:53.76
Alistair
ostrich
01:31:54.23
Wednesday Lee Friday
Awesome.
01:31:55.58
Tamara
Yeah.
01:31:58.65
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay, and finally, I need a celebrity.
01:32:03.27
Alistair
Stevie next.
01:32:03.75
Tamara
ah
01:32:06.02
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay.
01:32:11.20
Wednesday Lee Friday
ah good Okay, so this is called... Breaking news. Lost city found. A tumescent archaeological team working in the remote jungles of Salt Lake City Have.
01:32:28.85
Wednesday Lee Friday
have reportedly discovered The dripping ancient city of... clamorilis.
01:32:37.24
Wednesday Lee Friday
Buried under about 10 miles of cock rings.
01:32:43.71
Wednesday Lee Friday
Now what were they doing there? The team said they knew that they had stumbled onto something disgusting. When they. Unearthed weapons, tools, and dildos handcrafted from pure gold and bearing the city's symbol.
01:33:01.41
Wednesday Lee Friday
A mythological creature with the earlobe of a possum.
01:33:01.69
Alistair
and
01:33:05.85
Wednesday Lee Friday
and the lap of an ostrich.
01:33:09.83
Alistair
if
01:33:10.25
Wednesday Lee Friday
If that weren't proof enough... Chief archaeologist Dr. Stevie Nicks said they were certain it was the ancient city when they found a tomb marked with the name of the city's legendary smelly ruler.
01:33:27.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
ah ah chewy kaboom boom which roughly translates to One who sneezes as explosively as a kitten erupting.
01:33:42.13
Wednesday Lee Friday
It's incredible, said junior archaeologist Alistair. I never would have believed this place existed if I hadn't seen it with my own two nostrils.
01:33:57.53
Wednesday Lee Friday
And there you have it.
01:34:02.59
Tamara
was excellent.
01:34:04.01
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right?
01:34:04.76
Alistair
of
01:34:04.90
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right?
01:34:05.28
Tamara
Yes.
01:34:06.09
Alistair
oh
01:34:06.10
Wednesday Lee Friday
All right.
01:34:06.27
Tamara
Yeah.
01:34:06.40
Wednesday Lee Friday
So big, big thanks to both of you for being here. Do stay tuned, listeners, after the closing music. for a uh excerpt from uh thorning cross that's gonna be totally dope and you don't want to miss it um i'm so glad you guys could be here and we could do this and i could have you both on here together um i won't I'll refrain from using the phrase tag team because I'm classy. um
01:34:36.47
Tamara
Oh, we enjoyed.
01:34:38.40
Alistair
It's my lucky day.
01:34:38.70
Tamara
you having us. Yes.
01:34:40.16
Alistair
You know what?
01:34:43.100
Wednesday Lee Friday
Op stay.
01:34:43.87
Tamara
We enjoyed being your bitches.
01:34:44.77
Wednesday Lee Friday
My husband hay is ear hay.
01:34:45.89
Tamara
What?
01:34:47.35
Wednesday Lee Friday
um
01:34:47.88
Alistair
Okay, okay
01:34:49.74
Wednesday Lee Friday
All right. So yeah, we're going to see everybody next week.
01:34:53.31
Tamara
Okay.
01:34:52.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
Bye-bye.
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