Mentally Oddcast Transcript: Weird Fiction Author and Nerd Michael Brueggeman
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Wednesday Lee Friday
You are listening to The Mentally Oddcast. My name is Wednesday, Lee Friday. And with us today, we have Michael Brueggemann. And he is a laborer, a weird fiction author, a Magic the Gathering enthusiast, a father, and a local politics aficionado. And he is from the most haunted town in America, which is Elton, Illinois. Welcome, Michael.
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Michael Brueggeman
Good to be here.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
cool and and to be clear you do prefer michael and not mike
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Michael Brueggeman
I actually don't. have preferences but You know. That's fine.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow, that's that's we We should get back to that because I think not having preferences would be ah a lovely way to live. I don't. I think I'm too much of a control freak to just not have preferences.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
like that
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Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
I think. Maybe. I don't know. um But it is great to have you here.
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Michael Brueggeman
I don't know, I might be too, I might be too, uh... Go with the flow, you know sometimes
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Wednesday Lee Friday
I see. I see. Well, as you know, we always start by asking guests to tell us the story of the first horror movie that they remember seeing. And I don't know yours, so let's have it.
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Michael Brueggeman
Okay, so um I think it's... it's Technically... Not a horror movie. Um... But the first movie I remember seeing.
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Michael Brueggeman
That scared me was... a Big Trouble in Little China? Uh...
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay.
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Michael Brueggeman
Yeah, I was watching that you say dad and there's just I don't you know, there's like There's a snake lady and there's a beholder and there's... All these sort of like...
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Michael Brueggeman
weird creatures and at a very young age I was I was very scared of it And... And yeah, I don't know. It just it just freaked me out.
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Michael Brueggeman
And then. i I can't. I'm not going to be able to put my finger on the very first horror movie I saw because my parents were like... really into horror movies and as a very young child i was very skittish and scared all the time.
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Michael Brueggeman
So. Ah. So, yeah, i remember I remember being scared of Big Trouble in Little China. And I'm pretty sure my first. Horror movie that I was able to watch was probably gremlins um Which I think it's probably the Most.
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Michael Brueggeman
Most people... My age. you know the first one that you're actually able to tolerate it's usually gremlins Usually the thing that gets you into...
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep, yep
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Michael Brueggeman
into horror if you're a skittish kid.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, yeah, that movie was so scary they had to make a whole new rating for it.
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Michael Brueggeman
Perfect.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay. So. your parents were watching a lot of horror and you weren't really into it so what were you into what was your your favorite childhood viewing.
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Michael Brueggeman
um Well, when I was a kid, you know, I liked... uh cortez i was really into like Science fiction? Um... I would...
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Michael Brueggeman
read a lot of science fiction my um i Had an uncle um who he lived... on ah my aunt's farm.
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Michael Brueggeman
In a trailer. And by the time I was, you know... ah Coming up here. Had a stroke and... He was half paralyzed and...
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Michael Brueggeman
He uh... He was so dependent. Um... on alcohol that like he would get hospitalized and they would um Allow him to have.
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Michael Brueggeman
beer in the hospital with him because he was so physically dependent on it.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Sure, sure
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Michael Brueggeman
um and he would just sort of like Chainsmoke and chain drink and tour on his little his little motorized wheelchair and he would Uh... watch the sci-fi network and he would uh i would go there and i'd hang out with him and he would You know, we would talk about science and science fiction and politics and sort of like All of those sort of things so he's a big inspiration on me And.
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Michael Brueggeman
And so, yeah, so I was from a very young age. I was really into sort of science fiction and science and things like that.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay. Yeah, that that makes sense. And now I know you are into, you're not really a horror person, more of the leaning toward the fantasy side of it, sci-fi fantasy.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Um...
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Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Now you refer to yourself as a weird fiction author. So I would like to discuss that term in more detail. First of all, is the fiction weird or the author?
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Michael Brueggeman
since it I mean, it's probably probably a little bit of both. but Yeah, I don't know what So my process of like.
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Michael Brueggeman
When I write, it's usually just like... Aum. come up with like a premise And I will just. Just crank it out. you know
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Uh huh.
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Michael Brueggeman
Um...
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep.
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Michael Brueggeman
It kind of... flows out of me pretty easy and it's like It can be like... Whatever sort of concept like I i wrote a story based on uh you know that I was like, well, I wonder what it would feel like if... if Like...
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Michael Brueggeman
Fat came out of your nose. And so I... turn that into an entire story. Um... I mean, I have done things that like Where I put more work into it Wait.
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Michael Brueggeman
It was like not just jamming it out. Quickly. um you know the first story i was ever published in was for for a um Come. like a wizard of oz themed anthology Um...
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Wednesday Lee Friday
How neat.
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Michael Brueggeman
who the editor of that he actually um Just passed away I was Really sorry to hear about that. um But ah that was something I spent weeks on And, you know, like I tore through it. I was... i was ah constantly, you know...
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Michael Brueggeman
Using thesauruses and reference guides and building and and and the the the wiki for... um you know, the sort of worlds of L. Frank Baum. and I put a lot of effort into that, but a lot of times it's just it's just here's an idea, and i I crank it out based on...
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Michael Brueggeman
Just an idea. um And it's usually it's always something weird and I don't really sort of make myself too beholden to like Um... like how How much?
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Michael Brueggeman
Sense it makes or how much you know it fits into the rules of a certain world. I mean except what I do um But yeah, so I don't know like i I don't know how to describe it other than just it's weird. It's weird stuff um so uh that's That's just the genre I feel like it is. I don't know. I don't i don't know what else to call it.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay. All right. Yeah, I get it, man. I mean, I'm like branching out into different subgenres myself right now because... Since I made the switch really from writing long form to just saying, you know what, short stories are so much easier.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
and now that i understand that i have like audi hd It makes sense that like you get that idea like, oh, my God. Wouldn't it be wild if if this happened? And then you can just sit down and draft it out. And before you know it.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
you've got like five ten thousand words And it's just this. cute little story that has like a. focus and a theme. Maybe a twist of some kind.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
End. Yeah, when you are excited about it and you can just sit down and do it and then it's done. that That is a beautiful thing. It's not like, oh, I'll write that down so I can use it in a novel someday, and then it just sits in a friggin' notebook for ten years.
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Michael Brueggeman
right
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Wednesday Lee Friday
So... When you are writing weird fiction, I'm guessing that you are not Using common tropes. Or you are.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Like. really flipping them on their heads. I mean, it seems like... For a fiction to be truly weird, It has to be like the weirdness is kind of relative to what other people are doing, right?
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Like, it's unusual fiction. It's unexpected. Like, is that? am Am I understanding that right?
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Michael Brueggeman
Uh... Yeah, I think so. I think so most of the time. Um... You know, it's... it's Like I do have to say, you know, it's... it's hard because it has been.
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Michael Brueggeman
So long since I I've really written um
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Michael Brueggeman
Um, It's kind of hard to remember. Ah. But... Yeah, usually I... you know, yeah, if if it's if it's a If I'm messing with a trope, buts usually it's usually...
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Michael Brueggeman
Trying to be a subversion of it. Um... And...
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Michael Brueggeman
And uh... Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. so it
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Michael Brueggeman
Otherwise, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I just write.
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Michael Brueggeman
What I what I want to and I don't Really? worry too much about it. Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay. So would you are you writing to an audience? Like, do you have a specific type of reader in mind?
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Michael Brueggeman
oh I... I think.
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Michael Brueggeman
Because I do, I have. You know... Um, He was like the Vonnegut. Uh... idea of like writing to A person with one.
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Michael Brueggeman
specific reader in mind
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm hmm.
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Michael Brueggeman
It's usually like... always somebody different. I think a lot of times... I might just be writing to like myself when I was younger.
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Michael Brueggeman
You know? Um.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay.
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Michael Brueggeman
Because... yeah I kind of wish. I don't know. I wish sometimes that like I had a... sort of realize like that there aren't actually any rules, you know?
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Michael Brueggeman
i mean there are rules there are guidelines to how you can write to get a specific outcome and there are rules to uh What the conventions are and and they're there for a reason you know
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Wednesday Lee Friday
h
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Michael Brueggeman
Um... But when I realized like how much like you you are, you are actually allowed to do whatever you want. Um... Like, I think i I kind of found that out when I was when i was a little bit older.
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Michael Brueggeman
So I think sometimes I'm just writing like. what I would have liked to have read. when I was a kid or a preteen when I was like interested in that sort of thing.
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Michael Brueggeman
Um. You know, when I was... when i was ah Probably 13 or 14 I started writing Like.
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Michael Brueggeman
poetry that was like... really like subversive and and and to be honest kind of like gross and and um violent and angry and just just... just i was like what if poetry could be this and uh My aunt?
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Michael Brueggeman
who is a Like an old... farm wife and she's like really nice and like uh doesn't like the f-word and you know all these sort of things she found she was I think just putting laundry in my drawer or whatever.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay.
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Michael Brueggeman
um And. When she was just over a visit because she's the type of person who would do your laundry when she was visiting you And she found it. She goes, Michael, I found these.
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Michael Brueggeman
She's like, these are disgusting. This is the most disgusting things I've ever read in my life. And I was like, but you're a really good writer. I was like, oh. Thanks.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow.
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Michael Brueggeman
ah Yeah. So. Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
well and you know honestly that is a rare thing it is uh with people especially people that are not actively involved in the creative arts.
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Michael Brueggeman
So that was when I realized that like.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
People have such difficulty distinguishing between This is of poor quality versus this is not to my taste. You know?
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Michael Brueggeman
Mm hmm.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
And it it sounds like she did.
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Michael Brueggeman
Right.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
So that's that's a good thing. That is a wonderful thing.
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Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Although people shouldn't be snooping, man. I couldn't imagine just finding a notebook in a house that was not my house and being like, oh, well, why don't I give this a perusing? Because...
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Michael Brueggeman
Yeah, well, they were loose.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Come on, what?
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Michael Brueggeman
They were loose sheets of paper in the drawer.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, but the thing is, you can't go looking through somebody else's stuff and then be like, oh my god, I'm so offended by what was in your stuff I found.
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Michael Brueggeman
yeah
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Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Like, okay.
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Michael Brueggeman
and Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
But yeah, that, you know. But that's the kind of thing that, you know, that you got to take that in the context of the entire relationship. So I get it.
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Michael Brueggeman
Right.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
So... I... ah All right, so so back to like weird fiction, okay? what Who else is a weird fiction author? Who would we know that writes fiction in this particular category?
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Michael Brueggeman
My gosh.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
maybe Maybe Christopher Moore? His stuff is kind of weird.
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Michael Brueggeman
Yeah. Maybe... ah
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Michael Brueggeman
and i don't I don't read enough either lately. So it's so hard for me to think. Um, But... You know, like...
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Michael Brueggeman
reticent to say, like... Matthew Bartlett because he's so Good. That's such a singular voice. but ah I... His stuff does have like a similar sort of ah
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Michael Brueggeman
Sort of weirdness to it um
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Michael Brueggeman
Gosh, I don't know. I don't know
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay. Alright.
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Michael Brueggeman
So many there's so many
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, you should think on it and let me know, because now I want to dive in and find out like.
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Michael Brueggeman
Hmm.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Who's the weirdest of them all? Okay.
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Michael Brueggeman
okay
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Wednesday Lee Friday
So you mentioned that you haven't been writing much lately.
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Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
But do you have ideas for upcoming projects that you want to share?
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Michael Brueggeman
Um... No, I uh...
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Wednesday Lee Friday
oh
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Michael Brueggeman
I do have like.
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Michael Brueggeman
I am participating in sort of a... A group project that... um You know? and The other people involved kind of want to keep their Uh... Keep it under wraps. um Because it's like it's like a thing. It's like a new um It's a new medium for everybody involved.
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Michael Brueggeman
So I'm kind of really not.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, wow. Okay.
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Michael Brueggeman
Talking about that. Uh...
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, don't break your NDA on my account.
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Michael Brueggeman
But I mean, mostly... Mostly I just want to get um I just want to kind of Finish some things that I've had. Hanging. You know.
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Michael Brueggeman
for so long. Uh, Like... You know There's a story that I was like... It's like kind of like I don't know, I felt necessary for it to become this short story, but...
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Michael Brueggeman
But I think the concept is so simple. did i need to just start from scratch and just let it be like flash or something like that because it's
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay.
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Michael Brueggeman
You know Uh... I think that would be better i mean it's also it's like It's kind of like just based on a pun. So... Like...
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Michael Brueggeman
Which i've I've written a lot just based on a pun like
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow. that That's amazing. Because I mean... have you tried ah Have you tried writing with AI? A lot of writers are writing with AI these days. Are you doing that?
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Michael Brueggeman
No, I don't really. um
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Wednesday Lee Friday
I'm joking I know you're not doing that.
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Michael Brueggeman
I don't think... Yes. Yeah. Like I don't think they're like
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, you know, amazon Amazon just changed their rules. Amazon says no.
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Michael Brueggeman
Oh, did they?
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Wednesday Lee Friday
for for kdp for kindle direct if you're like publishing your own stuff the new rule is that nobody can upload more than two books in a week so like two in each format.
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Michael Brueggeman
Right.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
So like two paperback, two hardcover, two digital, which, you know, usually you would do at least two of those for each book. And yeah, they're saying not more than two a week.
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Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
so Anybody that's losing their goddamn mind over it is an AI sloperator. Like, we know now who's doing that. because you know we all know writers who are fairly prolific nobody is writing two books a week and that well i guess more than two books a week because you could upload that many so
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Michael Brueggeman
Right.
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Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
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Michael Brueggeman
Thank you. Yeah, I mean, I guess that's one way to combat it But yeah, it's like what like you Like Chuck Tingle. was Like.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
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Michael Brueggeman
maybe he would get close to that you know but nobody's Nobody's doing that. Two a week. so
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Wednesday Lee Friday
No, no, certainly not. um Now, you're a Dungeons & Dragons guy. And i'm I'm not, but my understanding is that Dungeons & Dragons was the first ah major game, major RPG.
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Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
to welcome and encourage the use of of AI Dungeon Masters. um And that because they're such an industry leader, other games are following suit.
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Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
ah You got any thoughts on that?
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Michael Brueggeman
Aye. I mean... I think it's... it's It's just ridiculous. Like, I mean, I don't understand really. Because when they said that...
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Michael Brueggeman
When they came out with that... There was huge pushback. People don't want it. like It's just, it's kind of amazing to me, like, the lengths that these companies will go to to, like...
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Michael Brueggeman
Shoehorn? ai into their shit when like Like... So, you know, Dungeons & Dragons is owned by Wizards of the Coast, who owns...
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Michael Brueggeman
Makes magic as well. And they... They have always, Wizards of the Coast has always been very responsive. to player feedback You know?
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Michael Brueggeman
Um... Like if there's a big enough stink about something, they usually just... Will start doing it or stop doing it or change it, you know, whatever the people want So it's kind of wild to me that they're that they're continuing to push forward with that when, like...
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Michael Brueggeman
It's like. DMing like creating a world creating a story You know creating an experience for your friends is like such a huge part of what makes that game great.
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Michael Brueggeman
You know?
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Wednesday Lee Friday
That is my understanding.
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Michael Brueggeman
So I don't.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Now, was was there a shortage of of people willing and un able to do that? Is there a shortage of dungeon masters?
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Michael Brueggeman
All right. Not really. You know, usually you got one friend who doesn't.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
I wouldn't... I just...
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Michael Brueggeman
walk You know, who wants to...
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Wednesday Lee Friday
I'm trying to to wrap my head around like is that Is it solving a problem that exists? Is there some reason that it might be valuable?
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Wednesday Lee Friday
to use ai for that purpose because it sounds to me as a non-gamer Like, just another thing. where people want to pretend they can do it even though they can't do it. like visual art or writing a novel in a day.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Um,
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Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
that You know... that that it like Like you were just saying, it's a skill. and an art you know it's it's something that you that that people work on and and develop an ability to do and then the ai then comes and looks at that body of work and says here let me imitate that for you Um,
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Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Like, who who is that for, I guess? What it yeah is it is it solving a problem that exists?
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Michael Brueggeman
Yeah, I don't know i was
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Michael Brueggeman
Yeah, I don't know. I was i was just watching, actually. ah So get really into this. ah the youtube channel uh mystery treehouse it's like sort of like deep dives into just...
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Michael Brueggeman
Anything usually. pop culture type stuff, and there is just... They did one about apparently Colin Kaepernick. Who like... I've had like...
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Michael Brueggeman
um You know, sort of like... great respect for like the way that he's been outspoken on social issues and things of that nature is for some reason I don't even know why.
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Michael Brueggeman
decided to invest in like Ayy. AI. graphic novel Business.
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Michael Brueggeman
you know like to churn out Graphic novels and I don't know how these like I feel like people really get their minds twisted into believing this narrative Because he's up there and he's people are asking him, but what about...
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Michael Brueggeman
Why? what Who's this for? what What about the people who... make this art. and They wanted they make the art they want them to make them people want art made by human beings And he was like.
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Michael Brueggeman
Well, you know, I think this will help Um... you know, artists, because then you can use the. the The... machine to To like.
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Michael Brueggeman
Make your art for you. And then you don't have to like hire a writer. And it's like... you know like a writer is like another type of artist right like
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Right?
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Michael Brueggeman
And then he was even, he said. At some point, he had said in in some interview... i You know, I can't... Draw.
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Michael Brueggeman
And I can't write. I'm just a creator. And. this concept they like
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow.
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Michael Brueggeman
You're a creator. When you don't know how to create anything is insane. Like it's...
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, tell him we're replacing his sport with foosball. because it's cheaper than paying players.
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Michael Brueggeman
Right.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
I think he might get it then.
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Michael Brueggeman
Right.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
What the hell?
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Michael Brueggeman
Right.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
That's very disappointing. And I think I mean, I suspect slash hope.
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Michael Brueggeman
It's disappointing. One.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
that that comes from a lack of understanding of the issues. I mean, over and above the fact that they're called the humanities because they're made by humans i would think that that someone like kaepernick with his history would be more sensitive to
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Wednesday Lee Friday
the class issues inherent to AI and where they're putting these these places and whose resources they're stealing and who is paying the higher electricity, the higher water bills, like who is being...
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Michael Brueggeman
Right.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
the most I mean, I want to say inconvenienced, but it's not really inconvenienced. They're being stolen from. You know poor and minority communities are being hurt by that
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Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
to a much larger degree than affluent. largely white communities i mean that's you know that's demonstrable and even if He's on the fence or or even pro-Gen AI, which I don't know why.
00:24:45.24
Wednesday Lee Friday
I mean, i I still can't get my head around it. I think it's making us weaker and lazier and dumber and even less media literate and empathetic than we were when all this started.
00:24:57.52
Wednesday Lee Friday
but Yeah, that's that's a whole huge thing, right? um Because didn't he stop taking money from Nike?
00:25:01.75
Michael Brueggeman
Right.
00:25:05.47
Wednesday Lee Friday
when he realized that Nike uses child labor and slave labor in other countries.
00:25:09.44
Michael Brueggeman
i think so i kind of remember that that might have been why the nike nike thing So I it's hard, you know They didn't mention that in the thing I just watched, but that's kind of how i heard that's kind of what I remember.
00:25:22.01
Michael Brueggeman
from that situation.
00:25:24.14
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, that that's...
00:25:24.48
Michael Brueggeman
Like, I don't.
00:25:28.39
Michael Brueggeman
i don't like
00:25:28.96
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh.
00:25:30.25
Michael Brueggeman
Link. Like... AI is like a... just as a technology, as a thing. That exists like I don't have like Fund a fundamental issue with it But.
00:25:43.69
Michael Brueggeman
this idea that like it needs to be in everything the idea that like It should be... creating art this idea that like right Like you said, like...
00:25:56.25
Michael Brueggeman
like Because of building datasets, there's an issue with... um in Granite City right now. which is a town near me.
00:26:07.28
Michael Brueggeman
Where they're... talking about. putting in a data center. and And... To be honest, my haul, because it would mean a lot of work for us, what is was asking.
00:26:20.28
Michael Brueggeman
People go to speak at these, like... town halls about it. um in support of it and like I understand that like...
00:26:33.61
Michael Brueggeman
things need to get built because human beings are like... you know, using the internet and the the infrastructure needs to be there for it. But the thing is. is that
00:26:44.97
Michael Brueggeman
The fact that... too bad so sad your power bill is going to be higher when you don't when these people are are poor this is a depressed area this is This is the town.
00:26:57.38
Michael Brueggeman
Where there's a steel mill And it's... It's... been You know the steel know that was built 150 years ago.
00:27:07.97
Michael Brueggeman
that made the town really affluent. and and they They call it Granite City because it's sort of a... uh granite um looking steel that's used in like cookware was invented there and And.
00:27:23.03
Michael Brueggeman
It was a huge. Boom for the neighborhood, but as time has gone on. you know, it's just completely fallen into disrepair and and you know crime and the median income is really low and people are you know and they're putting so much effort into like into like...
00:27:41.67
Michael Brueggeman
trying to make it a place you know like a place that people want to go there's like cool shops on main street there's there's a tiny movie theater that like It shows, like, you know, three of the... of the You know big movies big movies that are out But then also we'll do like a midnight showing of like Rocky Horror Picture Show.
00:28:00.22
Michael Brueggeman
And it's got all these things going on in this in this little town.
00:28:00.99
Wednesday Lee Friday
Nice.
00:28:04.65
Michael Brueggeman
And... They don't need that like as a burden and nobody's talking about. you know, making like energy production cleaner.
00:28:17.08
Michael Brueggeman
and more efficient nobody's talking about nobody's talking about like If a company is building this. This... Fucking data center Like, why aren't they paying for the fucking increase in costs?
00:28:28.78
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep.
00:28:29.77
Michael Brueggeman
To electrical production.
00:28:29.64
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep. We know why, because we have been an oligarchy for some time in this country. and even
00:28:35.77
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:28:36.78
Wednesday Lee Friday
Politicians like I'm in Michigan. Gretchen Whitmer. uh fairly progressive kind of drug her feet on things like roads and flint's water and stuff like that and then on her way out the door she approved a data center that
00:28:41.38
Michael Brueggeman
Mm hmm.
00:28:52.61
Wednesday Lee Friday
nobody wanted like nobody wanted that there was you know I don't... I don't know what ah what a pro data center argument would be, because all it really does is... make our bills get higher. And people talk about, oh, it's a job creator. It's not a job creator. Maybe it creates, let's say, two dozen jobs.
00:29:15.47
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:29:15.33
Wednesday Lee Friday
Is that really worth it to raise everybody's bills when the bills are already insane? Like rent is out of control here. Our rent right now is 75 % of our income.
00:29:28.04
Wednesday Lee Friday
just the rent. And. I live in a... I mean, it's a cardboard box in here. It's so crowded, especially since like. the business and everything i don't want to go off on a tangent about like my deal but It's... um We have long had a government.
00:29:48.81
Wednesday Lee Friday
who really does not care much for the average person. End. Obviously that's more true of one party than the other, but... The older I get, the more I see the patterns of Democrats just doing fuck all while bad people ride roughshod over us i mean as far as i'm concerned
00:30:05.85
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah. That's something I...
00:30:09.17
Wednesday Lee Friday
They should be bringing... Impeachment articles weekly. Even if nothing's gonna happen, even if it's not gonna get voted through or whatever, bring it every week.
00:30:14.15
Michael Brueggeman
Yes.
00:30:20.21
Wednesday Lee Friday
remind everybody he is breaking the law constantly he is enriching himself and his family constantly All these other guys doing all this bullshit and nobody's bringing it up.
00:30:33.47
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, because I know like all the papers are bought off. And that's the thing about like the news. Jeff Bezos could be a hero. since he bought the Washington Post, he could save democracy with that shit.
00:30:46.50
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:30:46.96
Wednesday Lee Friday
but he's not going to do it because, you know. He's got his little... plastic wife or I mean They look like the penguins' parents. I can't stand it.
00:30:56.81
Michael Brueggeman
Yes, I do.
00:30:57.21
Wednesday Lee Friday
But um but but no, like what I want to get to, though, is that...
00:30:59.42
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:31:04.23
Wednesday Lee Friday
i What I want to parse is how deliberate you think is the correlation between the rampant acceptance of AI. and the rise of fascism.
00:31:17.62
Wednesday Lee Friday
If AI is making us dumb. Fascists want us to be dumb, right? They don't want an educated populace.
00:31:24.83
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah. I would have a lot of trouble parsing, like...
00:31:32.09
Michael Brueggeman
How much of anything? is deliberate. simply because like
00:31:40.86
Michael Brueggeman
So... much of people in power are also like... So incredibly stupid. Like... So... it's It's hard to say.
00:31:57.60
Michael Brueggeman
But... It is like worth noting that this is like. These trends are like a worldwide thing And that's ah something I think that like we as Americans like forget.
00:32:10.93
Michael Brueggeman
Is it like... it's It's literally happening like all over the world, you know, like. Um, Japan just just elected you know a fascist prime minister and
00:32:23.75
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep. Yep.
00:32:26.10
Michael Brueggeman
You know
00:32:26.21
Wednesday Lee Friday
Didn't Germany just elect somebody really conservative?
00:32:27.89
Michael Brueggeman
And shit. Germany? Germany. elected a lesbian. Married to an immigrant. Who's a member of a party?
00:32:38.61
Michael Brueggeman
That is against. Homosexuality. and immigration.
00:32:46.31
Wednesday Lee Friday
Long sigh.
00:32:46.49
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:32:48.09
Wednesday Lee Friday
What a shame. What the hell is wrong with people now? Was that legit because I would maintain that our last digit election was not legit Dead. Elon Musk.
00:32:58.78
Wednesday Lee Friday
Absolutely. Uh... did what he does and and tampered with the vote count And that one of the jobs of the Doge Boys was to erase all the evidence of that.
00:33:11.06
Wednesday Lee Friday
And why that was never pursued. of I mean, who do we blame but the Democrats for that? I don't, I mean. It's just so obvious, and I can't believe we're all just standing around with our mouths open, gawking at the blatant...
00:33:19.87
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:33:27.01
Wednesday Lee Friday
blatant corruption of it all but yet nobody can do anything because like what do we do you know what what do we do We can't do anything.
00:33:37.11
Michael Brueggeman
i mean, I don't know if it's like It definitely seems possible to me. I don't know if it's like... A conspiracy or if there if there was cheating. And it is it is hard.
00:33:50.94
Michael Brueggeman
which is something I think they do as well. is that the the people on the right are just constantly spouting. this this crazy bullshit so that if like if you or i want to suggest Something. conspiratorial or like something that seems kind of out there Uh, then it's like, then it's like. You get equated.
00:34:13.83
Michael Brueggeman
With like. Those fucking nut jobs. Um, So. Yeah, all I know is that like after this midterm, I really hope that people...
00:34:25.29
Michael Brueggeman
Just start writing. Two. There, you know. Elected officials and like pressuring them to like actually kind of change some of the fundamental issues.
00:34:37.42
Michael Brueggeman
That we have. Like... with like the structure of our government right now. Um.
00:34:45.58
Michael Brueggeman
Because like so much of what made like this administration's like Sort of power grab. possible is just because people get complacent. um Anybody who actually cares about... um you know whether or not the government is corrupt.
00:35:01.48
Michael Brueggeman
uh just sort of like a downer crack gets elected then they just sort of like shit on their hands and they're like oh i'm so relieved that we got you know Somebody who's like not doing as much fucked up stuff and then like and then nothing changes about... like a sort of like...
00:35:18.65
Michael Brueggeman
Overreach of the executive branch. And like.
00:35:22.74
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know... I think that... in my In my own life experience... the more I care about the job that I have and the the harder I'm trying to do a good job.
00:35:35.75
Wednesday Lee Friday
the faster I get burnt out. The faster they just... run through all of my excitement and fervor and and goodwill and and after a pretty short time i'm just like you know what These people don't appreciate a goddamn thing.
00:35:53.69
Wednesday Lee Friday
They're not paying me shit. They're not keeping their promises.
00:35:55.68
Michael Brueggeman
not keep it there See ya.
00:35:57.80
Wednesday Lee Friday
And i would I would think that that is something. That. politicians are going to like, well, like social workers. You know? social workers get in there and they've got an idea for everybody and they want to help.
00:36:11.49
Wednesday Lee Friday
everybody and they're sure every situation is fixable five years later they're like well here's your paperwork do what you can You know, and it's.
00:36:20.24
Michael Brueggeman
right
00:36:22.28
Wednesday Lee Friday
I'm sure, and and I'm not making excuses. it It certainly seems like... And there's also, like, now that we know more about the Epstein files and they won't tell us the names and they say the same things, oh, everything would collapse if we knew who they were.
00:36:35.08
Michael Brueggeman
Amen.
00:36:39.83
Michael Brueggeman
Bye.
00:36:39.88
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well good. Then it should. But. that's I mean, that's a problem. And honestly, that's why we need way more women in politics. because women are much less likely. And I won't say never, but they are much less likely.
00:36:55.41
Wednesday Lee Friday
to... go to islands and make compromise of themselves hurting children for sexual reasons, for example.
00:37:02.31
Michael Brueggeman
Right.
00:37:02.88
Wednesday Lee Friday
And I'm sure that a goodly portion of the Republicans, not not just the gay ones, but but like in general, have done things.
00:37:13.32
Wednesday Lee Friday
that have been filmed and that's why they do whatever this gross old man says. Because he's got a compliment on so many people that we would all be sad if we found out who.
00:37:19.60
Michael Brueggeman
Right.
00:37:27.31
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:37:27.85
Wednesday Lee Friday
So that's I think that's that's a huge part of it.
00:37:28.33
Michael Brueggeman
And I just.
00:37:31.54
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah. ah just It's just that in this country, it's like you're... you're
00:37:37.46
Michael Brueggeman
You're already like We're already being asked to like accept a society that is like sort of built on like
00:37:50.05
Michael Brueggeman
Income inequality. Uh... you know, sort of for profit prison system.
00:37:56.77
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm hmm.
00:37:57.09
Michael Brueggeman
ah You know...
00:37:57.10
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm hmm.
00:38:00.00
Michael Brueggeman
um Way more. quid pro quo. Than I'm comfortable with and so you're already like we're already asked to like except that is sort of like foundational.
00:38:12.66
Michael Brueggeman
To our... to our society and our civilization it's like and then you want us to also like add like pedophilia and child murder to our to like our things that we need to accept about how our world works but no Like no, I don't I don't accept that And it's not.
00:38:31.68
Michael Brueggeman
It's not worth it to me for if everything collapses, I mean I like... Like I hope I hope I don't run out of insulin before we fix it, but go ahead You know?
00:38:42.88
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep.
00:38:43.55
Michael Brueggeman
Because it's it's really it's not worth it to me.
00:38:46.81
Wednesday Lee Friday
No, no, it is not. And. It's... It's so jarring how many people people that seem decent like i have long said that the worst thing about MAGA.
00:39:00.80
Wednesday Lee Friday
And actually ever since like the tea party is all the people that you find out things about like people that. you know, you you thought were firmly on your side are like, well, yeah, I mean.
00:39:13.52
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, why should we all have health care? Why should? you know trans kids be treated like people just like regular decency. has evaded people that i have thought were cool my whole life you know not just Not just like artists, but...
00:39:28.63
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:39:31.50
Wednesday Lee Friday
people in in my family you know people like and you know i don't It used to be that like, cause you know, I was raised by.
00:39:42.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
blue collar conservative types you know with like the hard work ethic and if you're doing bad it's because you didn't work hard enough whatever uh you know opposed to school lunch didn't want me hanging out with kids that got free lunch at school stuff like that
00:39:46.60
Michael Brueggeman
Mm-hmm.
00:40:00.02
Wednesday Lee Friday
Just, you know, very... backward. I. we're oppressed but we've found nobility of it like the middle ages you know where like you're a coward if you don't go die for war for like the richest guy in your town it's It's that mindset of like, yes, we will hurt ourselves and be in pain because we believe it's noble for the system.
00:40:10.68
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:40:22.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like that's that's that whole like working class blue collar mindset. So I can appreciate. how people think there's value in that.
00:40:34.70
Wednesday Lee Friday
But... First of all, a lot of them do not live what they preach, like you had just pointed out. You know, lot I mean, how many ice guys are getting their their spouses are getting taken in or their recently ex-spouses?
00:40:48.06
Wednesday Lee Friday
because a lot of i mean there are way more immigrants than i did not re that i realized you know i didn't think that was a problem in michigan for example that there were a lot of immigrants here outside of like dearborn but Apparently there are.
00:40:58.89
Michael Brueggeman
We'll go over it.
00:41:03.43
Wednesday Lee Friday
And then people are like, see, see, there's so many of them.
00:41:06.77
Michael Brueggeman
That's good.
00:41:07.47
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, so what? I don't.
00:41:09.63
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah, well...
00:41:10.27
Wednesday Lee Friday
I don't understand why it's a problem if I, I mean, basically it means there are more options for late night falafel. Like I don't. I don't know what people are so upset about Oh God, but they're Muslim though.
00:41:21.30
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:41:21.75
Wednesday Lee Friday
They want to impose their will on us. like you only think that because you're christian and you're always trying to impose your will on people
00:41:27.37
Michael Brueggeman
Because you're both so hell of a help. Yes.
00:41:30.22
Wednesday Lee Friday
but
00:41:31.48
Michael Brueggeman
It's a... Yeah. I think that's... That is such... i remember that I kind of remember it being... when I first heard it being pointed out that like that Like...
00:41:47.12
Michael Brueggeman
I think it was in reference to like... homosexuality is it like Men. being homophobic. Like the reason that they are is because they think that...
00:42:01.43
Michael Brueggeman
a homosexual man. is going to treat them the way they treat women.
00:42:05.97
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep, there's that, certainly.
00:42:06.65
Michael Brueggeman
You know
00:42:07.43
Wednesday Lee Friday
I think that's certainly fueling it in the in the military.
00:42:07.95
Michael Brueggeman
Seriously?
00:42:11.39
Wednesday Lee Friday
Um.
00:42:11.59
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:42:12.56
Wednesday Lee Friday
But also, I mean... There have been studies that show that. Like. ah the aggressively homophobic people are generally closeted.
00:42:21.71
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:23.01
Wednesday Lee Friday
Abusive Fathers is another like... link between all of them it's like so really so you'd rather just like beat up every gay person you see then confront your dad. You're a grown man. Do better.
00:42:36.01
Wednesday Lee Friday
But.
00:42:36.75
Michael Brueggeman
Great.
00:42:37.00
Wednesday Lee Friday
If you look at our government, we are under the yoke of fascists. who did not confront their abusive dads. I've never met Pete Hegseth parents, but I would bet my last dollar that his dad regularly beat the shit out of him.
00:42:46.31
Michael Brueggeman
Yep.
00:42:53.46
Wednesday Lee Friday
Or he didn't live with his dad.
00:42:54.43
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:42:55.69
Wednesday Lee Friday
And so he beat himself up for that. but i mean what a vile person and you look at these people and the dysfunction is so obvious
00:43:01.80
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:43:06.07
Wednesday Lee Friday
It's so obvious. And it just kills me that they walk around pretending to be tough guys. Nobody thinks Kash Patel is a tough guy. My God.
00:43:16.98
Wednesday Lee Friday
Hey. So... Ahem.
00:43:20.36
Michael Brueggeman
insane.
00:43:20.56
Wednesday Lee Friday
So. Um, so like... It seems like this started with Citizens United. Like once we said, you know what, we're basically going to legalize bribery.
00:43:29.34
Michael Brueggeman
I... Yeah.
00:43:32.76
Wednesday Lee Friday
um and then you know scotus has made a few spectacularly bad decisions since then But is is that your understanding as well, that that's how this began?
00:43:39.70
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:43:43.91
Michael Brueggeman
I, well... I hate to think of like... When something began because my mind always goes to like because I didn't tend toward literalism and then I'm like Well, you know, but then you had you had ah you had reagan and then and then before reagan you had nixon and the southern strategy you know but Yeah, I think that like...
00:44:06.63
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm hmm.
00:44:08.58
Michael Brueggeman
As far as, like... making this country like even more of an oligarchy than it already was. I think that like, Citizens United was like...
00:44:19.53
Michael Brueggeman
A huge, a huge blow. Um... to like fairness and license and and really i think the idea of It comes down to me.
00:44:33.11
Michael Brueggeman
A lot of things. The idea of money... In. Any of it. The idea of... Money. in politics as far as like getting elected the idea of money in the criminal justice system as far as like Hiring a lawyer.
00:44:53.09
Michael Brueggeman
The idea that, like... Money? plays a factor in these things, I think is like... The root? of like injustice Because...
00:45:04.11
Michael Brueggeman
If, you know... If a rich guy. You can hire a good lawyer. And get off. for killing his wife. And then... poor people. are put into prison.
00:45:16.59
Michael Brueggeman
uh because for shit they didn't do And then... and then And then when it's proven that they didn't do it, they still sit in jail for another five years and have a retrial. And then maybe you just get thrown right back the fuck in. so I think that like...
00:45:34.66
Michael Brueggeman
There should not be an inequality in like. Somebody's... criminal defense. I don't – I personally don't think that money – Like it It does seem kind of like...
00:45:48.24
Michael Brueggeman
ah goofy to have like the whole set amount of money for advertising for political campaigns thing like i i don't know like how it should work specifically But the idea that you can, like...
00:46:03.30
Michael Brueggeman
Buy your freedom. Like... When you've done something horrible The idea that you can buy your seat. when it comes to like the idea that you can buy a politician.
00:46:16.96
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, I actually didn't know until Michael Cohen
00:46:17.84
Michael Brueggeman
is... the
00:46:21.26
Wednesday Lee Friday
that there was a... prison for rich people. And that it was nice and didn't have, I mean, it was like a white collar prison.
00:46:25.62
Michael Brueggeman
Oh yeah.
00:46:28.54
Wednesday Lee Friday
And if you had a certain amount of wealth, you would just pay and go to the nice prison. and I don't even know where to begin with the level of bullshit fuckery that that I mean, the thing is, in my book, I was ah you know, I'm doing the third book of my political trilogy.
00:46:46.64
Wednesday Lee Friday
And the reason it's taking so long is because it was so hard.
00:46:46.76
Michael Brueggeman
oh
00:46:51.15
Wednesday Lee Friday
to find things like the the world and the government kept outdoing me. You know? End. well no I mean I got to the point where I'm like you know what fuck it I'm gonna make it about space aliens as long as space aliens don't come to work
00:47:05.50
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:47:06.41
Wednesday Lee Friday
don't come to this planet and not note not not A week after I said this, I went online and Don Jr. was like, if you see aliens in the sky, shoot them down! Like...
00:47:18.49
Wednesday Lee Friday
if If what now?
00:47:19.01
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:47:19.76
Wednesday Lee Friday
What did you say? Come on, you're fucking with me. You have to be, I mean, it started to feel personal at that point.
00:47:22.45
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah. a
00:47:26.18
Wednesday Lee Friday
My goodness.
00:47:27.31
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah. This is a tough time for absurdists and satirists. like like
00:47:32.80
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, it really is. Um.
00:47:35.08
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:47:36.18
Wednesday Lee Friday
It is, but one of the other things that happens in this book is that there is a program introduced.
00:47:36.28
Michael Brueggeman
that
00:47:42.14
Wednesday Lee Friday
Where. you can be paid to serve someone else's prison sentence.
00:47:48.50
Michael Brueggeman
Mmm.
00:47:48.34
Wednesday Lee Friday
And that your family will get money if if you agree to do it. And then there's some updates along the way about how the program is going and how it's working out for people. um So you'll have to read it to find out.
00:48:01.45
Wednesday Lee Friday
what that all entails, but... Yeah, it's... ah You know how in a trilogy, sometimes you have like a really good book, and then the second one is kind of like, oh yeah, that's a continuation.
00:48:13.52
Wednesday Lee Friday
How interesting. But it's not like...
00:48:15.67
Michael Brueggeman
yeah
00:48:15.91
Wednesday Lee Friday
great like the first one is but then you get that third one and it just brings it all right back around and you're like bam okay that's a trilogy that's that's what's happening here like when i wrote the second one
00:48:24.02
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:48:29.27
Wednesday Lee Friday
I thought. I was just really mad. because of everything that was happening and because I spent two years writing a book about presenting someone as a good guy and then he was just like okay thanks i'm doing sedition now like wait what Yeah, and I'm engaged to a hag.
00:48:45.22
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah. yeped
00:48:46.04
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like, wait, wait, stop. What? What? So...
00:48:49.23
Michael Brueggeman
thank you
00:48:50.54
Wednesday Lee Friday
but But also, though, that was the year that I almost died. So I was like, I was mad. Like I was mad at what was happening, but also like when I got COVID.
00:48:57.77
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:49:02.07
Wednesday Lee Friday
my heart was like, actually, no, we're not gonna, we're not gonna beat right anymore. We're gonna. you know do some afibs or whatever so that started a whole long health journey for me That.
00:49:16.10
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:49:16.20
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, I got out of the hospital and that book came out, I think. two months later, three, something like that. Like I busted ass and finished that book because once my heart was right again, which took a while.
00:49:24.31
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:49:30.56
Wednesday Lee Friday
um Yeah. So that that was the second book. That was the book with the assassination attempt in it. because I'm prescient as hell.
00:49:41.00
Michael Brueggeman
just Yeah.
00:49:42.17
Wednesday Lee Friday
because yeah there's so much press and shit in it because well the first book is about Well, you've read the first book, you know what it's about. And. ah Yeah, like I don't want to give it all away, but there are things that that like I predict in the first book, and then they immediately do that by the second book, and then there's things in the second book that turned out to be predictive because they actually happened.
00:50:06.28
Wednesday Lee Friday
So let's hope aliens are not on their way here because it's not good news that that they're here.
00:50:06.82
Michael Brueggeman
Yes.
00:50:11.67
Michael Brueggeman
Or that they are.
00:50:14.91
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, most people seem to think that if aliens are coming here it's either because they want to eat us or because they want our water.
00:50:15.30
Michael Brueggeman
I don't know
00:50:23.63
Wednesday Lee Friday
And um it's neither of those things.
00:50:30.43
Wednesday Lee Friday
So... I'm excited. I'm excited to loose it on people. Um.
00:50:34.98
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:50:36.12
Wednesday Lee Friday
Now. Moving on, I don't want to presume anything about you or your household because, you know. But I suspect that you have a perspective on disability and the ADA and how well our country does in ensuring the safety of our most vulnerable people.
00:50:44.15
Michael Brueggeman
No.
00:50:56.89
Michael Brueggeman
I do. I do have... a Opinions on that. and a perspective on that.
00:51:02.24
Wednesday Lee Friday
Please share.
00:51:02.86
Michael Brueggeman
um Yeah, well... um So, you know I'm married. to a disabled person.
00:51:12.56
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm hmm.
00:51:12.70
Michael Brueggeman
And. Like... I think I always like had my suspicions because, you know, I do... Live. in the world And in this country. And... I...
00:51:28.41
Michael Brueggeman
like For one thing, she was... She doesn't get SSD because of... Because she worked.
00:51:40.63
Michael Brueggeman
Because she worked. when
00:51:42.25
Wednesday Lee Friday
m
00:51:43.66
Michael Brueggeman
Before everything finally got really bad. with her body. she Worked so then then you go to a court because ah Money has to be involved in everything. You're supposed to get it. a ah fucking lawyer to get your Social Security.
00:52:01.49
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep.
00:52:02.57
Michael Brueggeman
And they were like, because you worked. You are not disabled. And it's like... You know, it's like you understand that like people do things when they shouldn't. Like.
00:52:13.10
Michael Brueggeman
That is a thing that happens, and when people have kids, they certainly do that. Um, And it's just nobody really, like...
00:52:23.68
Michael Brueggeman
Hardly anybody. nobody Nobody enforces the ADA. There's this myth. I feel like most people have this perception. That if, like, a person is disabled...
00:52:35.67
Michael Brueggeman
that they get enough money to live. from their From their disability checks. And that. And that. The world is gives them the accommodations they need.
00:52:46.66
Michael Brueggeman
to move throughout it. And they think... that This is so true. That is so... you know, easy to to to be a disabled person in the United States of America. or so possible at least.
00:53:02.27
Michael Brueggeman
that people fake it. They think people fake. being disabled. because of
00:53:08.59
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh yeah.
00:53:10.02
Michael Brueggeman
all the benefits you get for being disabled. and The fact of the matter is, is that, like... People. cannot survive.
00:53:22.89
Michael Brueggeman
On. what they're allotted, if they even get it. You know?
00:53:29.48
Michael Brueggeman
And out. I don't know. I just, I feel like the perception. of disability as like... ah thing that is taken care of and accommodated for is...
00:53:41.60
Michael Brueggeman
Part of the reason nothing's done about it. I mean, part of the reason is like, you know, we act like that like in the 30s or 40s or 50s when we had you know, uh, These sort of like. horrendous You know, mental institutions are like...
00:53:58.99
Michael Brueggeman
Well, you know at the time people just wanted to shove those people away and and get them out of sight. and It's just bananas to think that like. that has actually changed. Like, you do you think that that has changed?
00:54:12.19
Michael Brueggeman
you know Um,
00:54:14.16
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well that's one of those things that comes down to how much money you have. because
00:54:18.71
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah, right
00:54:18.83
Wednesday Lee Friday
If you have good insurance and someone in the world cares about you enough to fight for your dignity and well-being. you'll probably end up someplace decent. If you don't.
00:54:29.83
Michael Brueggeman
Right.
00:54:30.25
Wednesday Lee Friday
You won't. Because I can tell you the difference between just being a regular person without insurance. I was in a state hospital?
00:54:40.95
Wednesday Lee Friday
And. It. I mean... I'm just going to say it was a world of difference once I moved to Ann Arbor and got to go to U of M Hospital. Just the difference in in dignity and how you're treated, whether or not people answer your questions, things that don't necessarily cost more.
00:55:00.96
Wednesday Lee Friday
But that they don't. bothered to do it if they don't find you valuable enough.
00:55:07.62
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:55:08.02
Wednesday Lee Friday
And that's horrifying because no one seems... I mean, if you're... if you're evaluating people based on how much they're they make monetarily or what their skill set is that's not don't Don't people if that's what you're doing because you're bad at peopling.
00:55:28.52
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah. Yeah, so much of the idea of like value in general being... You know snake most people normal people think of value is like synonymous with like an amount of money.
00:55:42.85
Michael Brueggeman
Like this is...
00:55:43.56
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm hmm.
00:55:45.00
Michael Brueggeman
this is what the value is, you know? How much is it worth how many? United States dollars is it worth and that's the value of something that's that's the value of a person And it's.
00:55:58.62
Michael Brueggeman
Like, I do understand. Yeah, like assigning a number To like what a thing is worth Uh, makes sense.
00:56:10.57
Michael Brueggeman
I do understand. like The benefits of... like capitalism as an economic system, as a way to encourage production of things, the idea of assigning value to objects.
00:56:27.05
Michael Brueggeman
But the fact of the matter is, we assign that value to... people too. justice. to You know. Like... to the environment to the air we breathe into the water we drink there's a there's a dollar amount assigned to what that is worth to us.
00:56:47.70
Michael Brueggeman
it's like There should not be a dollar amount assigned to things that should not be sold.
00:56:53.65
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm hmm.
00:56:54.14
Michael Brueggeman
Human beings should not be sold. or and water should not be sold and justice should not be sold. So there's no reason for them to have a dollar amount assigned to them. And I i think that's...
00:57:02.69
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, no, because Not. Not everything... should be run like a business. You know, some things should be run like a household.
00:57:09.43
Michael Brueggeman
right
00:57:13.07
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know what I mean? Like if you have a child who is ill and needs medical treatment, you don't look at the child and calculate how much they bring into the household. You give them what they need because that's what a household is so that everyone under that roof has to the best of your ability been given the things that they need to be healthy and safe So when you, you know, I mean.
00:57:36.68
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:57:38.83
Wednesday Lee Friday
we We do that not just with people. We do that with our institutions. We did it with the post office. Just this whole like, well, how much money do you make? Why, you know, how much money should we spend saving you?
00:57:52.36
Wednesday Lee Friday
based on what your value is. And and yeah, you are absolutely right. if you if it's certainly if it's not something you can sell there should not be a value on it
00:57:58.78
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:58:04.39
Michael Brueggeman
the Great.
00:58:04.48
Wednesday Lee Friday
um But like by the the rules of value, like. You know, i I got a dog this year and I spent a long time looking for dogs before I got one.
00:58:14.89
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:58:16.33
Wednesday Lee Friday
And there were dogs. that were i mean they looked a lot like the dog that i ended up with except they my dog isn't ah a pure bread or whatever because I don't care about that and in fact I kind of wanted a mixed breed because I think
00:58:27.73
Michael Brueggeman
in the past
00:58:32.66
Wednesday Lee Friday
that will help her like avoid a lot of the like breed specific issues Because, you know, she got that.
00:58:37.91
Michael Brueggeman
they're Yeah, they're healthier.
00:58:39.77
Wednesday Lee Friday
that hybrid vigor but the thing is that's the thing like i got my dog as a gift you know the actual dog was given to me as a gift But people pay, like...
00:58:48.96
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:58:50.52
Wednesday Lee Friday
I mean, $6 ,000 it turns out is cheap for a dog. There are people that spend insane amounts of money for dogs.
00:58:55.14
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:58:58.91
Wednesday Lee Friday
But yet. it It just like. I don't, I don't. Get that. Because I mean, sure, a dog is a thing and you buy it and it's a business or whatever.
00:59:10.24
Wednesday Lee Friday
But it's not like. you're getting a better one because you paid more. Like. As far as the day-to-day life of dog, it's not like, oh, I got a cheap dog.
00:59:20.32
Wednesday Lee Friday
So she kind of sucks because I didn't pay that much for her. So she's not that great of a dog. She's an awesome dog. She's amazing.
00:59:27.59
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:59:28.63
Wednesday Lee Friday
And there are people that like, oh, I paid $12 ,000 for a dog and it ruined my carpet and my couch. like Well... I don't know what to tell you buddy. it.
00:59:38.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, that's...
00:59:38.82
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
00:59:41.19
Wednesday Lee Friday
um So let me ask you this.
00:59:42.04
Michael Brueggeman
from
00:59:43.76
Wednesday Lee Friday
What would you say? to a disabled person who relies on their partner and then... That leads them to feeling like a... Burden. How how would you respond to someone who says that?
00:59:57.82
Michael Brueggeman
um well
01:00:02.55
Michael Brueggeman
I think that, like...
01:00:07.72
Michael Brueggeman
We can point out that, like...
01:00:11.31
Michael Brueggeman
You know I don't know. I just... Personally, I don't
01:00:18.92
Michael Brueggeman
Value things in like a monetary sense I don't think that like... you know What a person brings to a household or to a relationship is like necessarily tied to like and amount of money.
01:00:34.98
Michael Brueggeman
ah And I don't... Think about it. I mean... To be honest, I don't think about money a lot. and My partner does. So that's something she brings to the relationship is actually...
01:00:51.98
Michael Brueggeman
having a head for like you know, budgeting and and and keeping track of money, you know. Because that's something that, like...
01:01:00.15
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm-hmm
01:01:02.97
Michael Brueggeman
I was not gifted with. ah my Mother had me when, uh... She was 18 and she was a... single parent within five years and She was... kind of wild and Never had very much money for very long. So I kind of grew up without.
01:01:25.07
Michael Brueggeman
being you know taught skills on how to like be good with money And my partner does. I just think they're like. When it comes to a relationship ah You know.
01:01:39.30
Michael Brueggeman
People bring... You know? what they have. They bring their skills. They bring their abilities. They bring... what they can to the table.
01:01:50.37
Michael Brueggeman
You know. ah you know, each Um. you know, each to his ability, each to his need Uh,
01:01:59.71
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep.
01:02:01.06
Michael Brueggeman
you know Because a household is a commune. you know
01:02:05.54
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm hmm.
01:02:05.85
Michael Brueggeman
And that's.
01:02:06.29
Wednesday Lee Friday
mm-hmm
01:02:07.10
Michael Brueggeman
That's what we're doing here is building a home. building a place. that You know. a family lives and it's as much as like a business Wants to call themselves a family.
01:02:21.59
Michael Brueggeman
They're not. Oh. You know, and this is this is a family so You know people bring People bring what they have.
01:02:32.97
Michael Brueggeman
To the table. and uh
01:02:38.27
Michael Brueggeman
You know, I don't know. It is, it is. It is hard. It's hard for people. It's... it's And I think especially now I feel like so...
01:02:50.89
Michael Brueggeman
like public attitudes. I think public attitudes have like...
01:02:58.14
Michael Brueggeman
shifted like to the extreme. sort of in general where people are mean I suppose it's always been that way.
01:03:09.08
Michael Brueggeman
But I feel like it's become louder that people are like... Oh, these people are worthless. They don't contribute anything. but it it a You know. i mean Just as much as there's like people who are like...
01:03:23.41
Michael Brueggeman
Uh... Nobody... should have to work and we should live in a perfect you know socialist utopia where where robots do everything for us Um,
01:03:35.88
Michael Brueggeman
You know like neither of those things are true um It's kind of like I've always had a problem with like the idea of like i I've always had a problem with absolutism, you know
01:03:46.03
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm hmm.
01:03:46.62
Michael Brueggeman
Like nothing is entirely one thing there's nuance in everything there are gradients to everything. you know there's Going completely.
01:03:57.44
Michael Brueggeman
one way on anything is never going to be the answer. And what the answer is shifts. I think that's another thing that's... Like not and like. I feel like people don't see that like... To answer...
01:04:10.14
Michael Brueggeman
What the answer is changes, you know. And as a society. We should be adaptable. um you know government is a slow ship and it...
01:04:21.74
Michael Brueggeman
It's supposed to be because the fundamental rules under which a society operates. should try to be as permanent as possible. you know It should have the ability to change.
01:04:34.18
Michael Brueggeman
but like not so drastically that it, like...
01:04:39.67
Michael Brueggeman
You know alters everything to the point where it can cause harm But as a society, the rules... And the answer is that we have need to shift over time.
01:04:51.68
Michael Brueggeman
And... I don't know. so I just, I feel like people don't. Thinking that way. I don't I think people just want there to be one right thing. I'm You know.
01:05:05.75
Michael Brueggeman
i'm This is right and everything else is bad. you know and it's like
01:05:09.11
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well... People want simplicity.
01:05:10.01
Michael Brueggeman
That's not how things actually work.
01:05:11.87
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, people don't want to have to spend their day thinking about politics.
01:05:12.32
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah. Right.
01:05:15.94
Wednesday Lee Friday
And that's why slogans do a lot better than nuance and conversation. You know?
01:05:22.43
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:05:23.37
Wednesday Lee Friday
and And it's a shame.
01:05:24.07
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:05:24.35
Wednesday Lee Friday
I mean, like something as simple as defund the police. is... You know, people misunderstand it, I think, intentionally. And then you have to say, well, no, we're not saying let's not have any police. We're saying let's. not over arm these people that.
01:05:43.87
Wednesday Lee Friday
are... you know, not necessarily doing a great job.
01:05:45.36
Michael Brueggeman
Right.
01:05:48.60
Wednesday Lee Friday
and And send in people that are trained for mental health emergencies and domestic violence, which is, you know, kind of different than other kinds of violence. You got to have an education for just. And the thing is that.
01:06:02.12
Wednesday Lee Friday
One would think that police would be glad of that. Because I don't think anybody wants to show up to a work situation that they have not been adequately trained for.
01:06:07.01
Michael Brueggeman
Amen.
01:06:14.15
Wednesday Lee Friday
And you can't.
01:06:14.19
Michael Brueggeman
I mean it depends.
01:06:15.40
Wednesday Lee Friday
You can't train cops for- for everything yeah i mean i think some cops are absolute bullies and brutes and they're on drugs and they're domestic abusers and they're they're unsavable. But I am sure that there are also cops that are well-intentioned and just don't know.
01:06:33.11
Wednesday Lee Friday
how to deal with the situations that are put in in front of them. so So that's something that... that is addressable if people would stop fucking fighting it. Um.
01:06:43.85
Michael Brueggeman
You know. Maybe it should be Restructure the Police.
01:06:45.07
Wednesday Lee Friday
Now. Sure, sure. But see, that's the thing. like Once you start to explain, people are already tuning out because paragraphs are just too much for people.
01:06:53.29
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:06:55.62
Wednesday Lee Friday
Thanks, Twitter. um Yeah. Now, I'm aware that you do not have a mental health diagnosis. Is that because your mental health is impeccable and you've never needed a hand?
01:07:08.16
Michael Brueggeman
It's because I don't. Uh, not. Yet. I suppose. taking time to... Do. Something about it?
01:07:19.86
Michael Brueggeman
I think maybe I should. And because I've been largely... despite being kind of a mess i've been largely functional Well, most of my life. But... um I do, i like, I know that, like, I am...
01:07:34.90
Michael Brueggeman
Compulsive. and obsessive like I... Not that I'm trying to... Please. that diagnosis ah but i like I don't know, like, I have a trouble. Like, stuff gets stuck in my head and and I...
01:07:49.63
Michael Brueggeman
I feel a compulsion to say. Say... Sing a... like a like a like a parody of a song Like, for hours on end.
01:08:03.28
Michael Brueggeman
Um... you know Things like that. And I'm incredibly disorganized and I have a lot of executive dysfunction. And that's...
01:08:14.10
Michael Brueggeman
That's what I know. About... my mental state. There you go. But yeah, it's it's hard to like. Take off work.
01:08:25.60
Michael Brueggeman
It's hard to... you know. Get started. on the process of doing something about it
01:08:31.14
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm hmm.
01:08:33.16
Michael Brueggeman
Yes.
01:08:33.58
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, and it's tricky because without a solid diagnosis. it's difficult to know how to proceed. with. you know what kind of treatment is appropriate whether you need meds or cbt or dbt you know it's it's ah
01:08:41.45
Michael Brueggeman
Right.
01:08:47.01
Michael Brueggeman
mm-hmm
01:08:48.49
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like that. to me is the value of a diagnosis, you know, and. and
01:08:53.36
Michael Brueggeman
else.
01:08:54.18
Wednesday Lee Friday
I was never, I was not able to get an official diagnosis of, of ADHD. um but i took a battery of tests and the and the person was like oh well yeah um i'm not qualified to to put this down but yes you that's what you have like well that doesn't fucking help me i need doctors to say that i have this so i can get treated and you know.
01:09:10.48
Michael Brueggeman
Right.
01:09:17.59
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:09:18.55
Wednesday Lee Friday
And the thinking is, well, you're an adult.
01:09:18.83
Michael Brueggeman
It's like when I got diagnosed with diabetes
01:09:20.10
Wednesday Lee Friday
What do you need to get treated for? like Well, I don't have a job.
01:09:22.83
Michael Brueggeman
Either.
01:09:24.31
Wednesday Lee Friday
It'd be nice to have one. Because I have a husband, so I can't get disability, even though I'm clearly disabled. um
01:09:31.69
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah. That reminds me of when I got diagnosed with diabetes I went I'd lost like 20 pounds in two weeks and
01:09:39.38
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh yikes.
01:09:39.88
Michael Brueggeman
I'd like... Gone out partying with my cousin the night before and Next day I... Mom took me to this. To the pediatrician, and I walked in and he said, well... He's like, I can't make an official diagnosis, but you're a diabetic.
01:09:55.90
Michael Brueggeman
Because you can smell the ketoacidosis on my breath.
01:09:58.61
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm hmm.
01:09:59.33
Michael Brueggeman
And then I got it. helicopter to uh the children's hospital and got the official diagnosis and it's like
01:10:05.53
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh wow.
01:10:07.28
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah, I mean it would be nice if like Like a doctor could be like Uh, You know, you're a jittery mess and you keep... Acting weird, we're gonna fly you through a heli- by helicopter to, uh, see-
01:10:23.06
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah because when i have the jitters i think a helicopter ride is just the thing um
01:10:23.47
Michael Brueggeman
To get a strike email.
01:10:28.88
Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow!
01:10:29.23
Michael Brueggeman
Good.
01:10:30.43
Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow.
01:10:30.85
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:10:32.22
Wednesday Lee Friday
That's crazy. So... You actually indicated a willingness to talk about a time when you felt in legitimate fear for your life.
01:10:35.32
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:10:42.45
Wednesday Lee Friday
So what would you like to tell us?
01:10:45.42
Michael Brueggeman
Hello? Well...
01:10:49.50
Michael Brueggeman
Alright. Uh... It's hard to pick one So there's the fun one. Uh...
01:11:00.89
Wednesday Lee Friday
We'll definitely do the fun one.
01:11:01.76
Michael Brueggeman
So one time... um what Yeah, so ah one time... When I was... you know using intravenous narcotics I ah ended up with like a lot of. abscesses?
01:11:17.44
Michael Brueggeman
And so I had to go to the hospital to have them. Removed. And. i Was they put in a pick line so it's a line that goes For people who don't know, it's a line that goes... straight to your heart.
01:11:32.97
Michael Brueggeman
and um I was there in the hospital and... Even though they were gracious enough to like. up my dose of like opioids because they knew I had a tolerance I still of course was... injecting Uh...
01:11:51.71
Michael Brueggeman
additional narcotics. And. Through the pipeline, of course, because you know while you've got it Might as well use it. And so. ah But, you know, I like I wanted to be like really safe. So instead of using just regular tap water.
01:12:09.55
Michael Brueggeman
I was using saline because You know. i'm such a I'm such a good and and gracious and healthy drug addict. Um,
01:12:17.49
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay.
01:12:19.21
Michael Brueggeman
So they leave these little sailing pushes. Sometimes. Um...
01:12:24.21
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm hmm.
01:12:24.97
Michael Brueggeman
In the room. and But i on occasion... They would put them in the sharps container and I would not have access to one. So I started just mixing up.
01:12:36.80
Michael Brueggeman
salt water in the little styrofoam cups and I... Bye. Had. Star Film Cup of...
01:12:48.25
Michael Brueggeman
saline and a styrofoam cup of Diet Mountain Dew. And I grabbed... the wrong cut. And I mixed up. a Some heroin.
01:13:00.88
Michael Brueggeman
into the Diet Mountain Dew and I injected it. directly into my heart. And... The thing is, it's like carbon dioxide.
01:13:12.72
Michael Brueggeman
Is like not good for your heart
01:13:14.68
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right, right.
01:13:15.55
Michael Brueggeman
So. i started I started sweating and and my my temperature went through the roof and my vision got blurry. and i was I was sweating bullets, and I was sitting there, and I was holding the... ah the The nurse call button and my thumb.
01:13:31.72
Michael Brueggeman
I was hovering over it Thank you. I don't want to explain this, you know Okay. All right. but they had removed all of my ah i didn't have any monitors on at the time so i was like if This gets bad enough like i'm gonna have to call somebody in And I'm gonna have to explain this.
01:13:52.84
Michael Brueggeman
in um i like Also, my dad worked at that hospital at the time.
01:13:57.21
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh shit.
01:13:57.28
Michael Brueggeman
He's already pretty mad at me for like why I was there He's cleaning my wounds and like was a little more more forceful with the cotton swab when he was doing it ah So I really didn't want to explain it. And eventually.
01:14:14.45
Michael Brueggeman
But I thought I was going to die. Eventually though, it did. subside and my heart slowed down and my temperature dropped and and i ended up being just fine so um So that was good, except for I probably should have learned something.
01:14:32.20
Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow So that that was not the end of your of your drug use. You continued to use after that. Am I understanding that right?
01:14:38.94
Michael Brueggeman
Correct. yes yeah
01:14:40.58
Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow. Uh... Yeah, I wish I had a ah minute to contemplate that because the mental picture of like. I mean... We joke about mainlining caffeine, but. um Yeah. That's my goodness. what What a story. What a tale. um And also, it's...
01:15:02.61
Wednesday Lee Friday
I'm also taken aback by the idea that... You weren't able to be immediately forthcoming with medical professionals because you had to go somewhere where one of your parents was on staff.
01:15:15.24
Wednesday Lee Friday
that
01:15:15.37
Michael Brueggeman
Well, that wasn't the reason. I didn't want to explain it in general, you know. I mean, I was honest. When I went there. Despite the fact that the person who brought me in was like...
01:15:26.33
Michael Brueggeman
he was like say that you got it from like taking insulin or something with all these abscesses i had and as soon as he left the room the guy who brought me there i was like i said to the nurse i was like i don't know why he's acting like that But I want the right treatment.
01:15:40.32
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right.
01:15:40.34
Michael Brueggeman
I have... infections from intravenous drug use. Please, you know. Treat what's actually wrong with me with all the knowledge, you know But I just I just wanted to keep shooting dope directly into my heart so it's probably the reason I didn't say anything then
01:16:01.75
Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow. Wow. So... I mean... Okay. Moving on. That's That's quite a tale, but but we're moving on now.
01:16:12.49
Michael Brueggeman
just
01:16:15.77
Wednesday Lee Friday
um The focus here on the show is mental health and the connection to creativity and productivity. So you do not work in the creative field.
01:16:28.15
Wednesday Lee Friday
and you don't have a mental health diagnosis, um But yet I don't really consider you an outsider on the topic. I consider you someone who is in the thick of it. what What would you say? Would you say you're an outsider?
01:16:42.86
Michael Brueggeman
um I mean, I don't know. i'm like As prone to imposter syndrome as everybody.
01:16:48.11
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
01:16:48.08
Michael Brueggeman
Uh...
01:16:48.30
Wednesday Lee Friday
ah
01:16:49.87
Michael Brueggeman
So... I often like consider, I often. other myself uh but i don't know if i really think about it no i don't consider myself an outsider And uh...
01:17:02.65
Michael Brueggeman
Like, I think I'd try to stay. Um, Like as involved in like the communities that I am a part of as possible. So I don't really consider myself an outsider of like...
01:17:17.03
Michael Brueggeman
Any of the sort of groups I fall in? Except for when I... Deal.
01:17:22.95
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, you know, some people um We'll weigh in on any topic. at even. talking over people who live that topic. um But you're not really one of those people.
01:17:33.80
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah
01:17:35.75
Wednesday Lee Friday
you know i i you strike me much more as someone who if you know that your knowledge base doesn't match other people you won't be talking over them you'll be listening so that's that's actually the reason that i asked the question um the next thing i want to ask though is that like it's spooky season right now So what ah what what are you streaming?
01:17:56.30
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:17:59.92
Michael Brueggeman
I don't...
01:18:03.57
Michael Brueggeman
Be honest, well, we did just start, um... Sort of watching like some of the classics ah We had a night of watching some of the classics recently. um Sort of a...
01:18:17.94
Michael Brueggeman
You know Nightmare Before Christmas. A Paranorman the underappreciated classic, in my opinion.
01:18:24.40
Wednesday Lee Friday
Nice, nice. Agree, agree
01:18:28.62
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah, and things of that nature. um Not real- I've been watching like a lot of YouTube lately. so Uh... So I think it's kind of funny because we just got like a deal like a package deal from our cable company.
01:18:46.92
Michael Brueggeman
Let's get this little... Box. We call it the boomer box. Because it's like... it's got like an old great big remote that you remember from like your cable box and stuff uh with like so it's it's got like a package of all these streaming services we got all this yet You know always access to like disney and stuff like that now And so then that's when I decided i'm going to become like a big youtube head
01:19:06.98
Wednesday Lee Friday
Nice, nice.
01:19:10.47
Michael Brueggeman
Of course. I feel like I have a tendency to make things harder than they need to be like always trying to do things the hard way Yeah.
01:19:18.32
Wednesday Lee Friday
We have um Apple TV. So we get our YouTube through that.
01:19:21.56
Michael Brueggeman
Oh.
01:19:21.98
Wednesday Lee Friday
And I do watch just an obscene amount of of YouTube, mostly like cooking shows and movie commentary. And then. people going on vacation and not listening to the guides and then getting eaten by animals is one of my favorite genres of of youtube but like
01:19:38.21
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah. we
01:19:39.24
Wednesday Lee Friday
for For two months before the election, it has become my habit to go ahead and pay for YouTube so that I don't get the...
01:19:46.72
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:19:47.22
Wednesday Lee Friday
the political commercials because, again, I'm in Michigan, so they're just awful.
01:19:49.25
Michael Brueggeman
Hmm. Oh yeah.
01:19:52.41
Wednesday Lee Friday
They're awful and constant.
01:19:53.25
Michael Brueggeman
It's pretty relieving for you well i keep getting these miss like because i'm in illinois but i'm right by st louis i keep getting these missouri hats and oh my God.
01:20:04.03
Michael Brueggeman
they're just like Blah, blah, blah. Wants to... Give all your... you All your money to the to the... for transgender surgery of children and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, which is like, I guess. So this is like, uh,
01:20:19.88
Michael Brueggeman
Proposition 3, I think it is. that they have in Missouri right now is basically like... They say it's to like ban transgender surgery of children except that's already banned in Missouri.
01:20:33.96
Wednesday Lee Friday
It's banned everywhere.
01:20:34.11
Michael Brueggeman
But what really it is...
01:20:35.00
Wednesday Lee Friday
It's federally illegal if you're under 16.
01:20:38.06
Michael Brueggeman
they're They're trying to make... abortion illegal which they've put on the ballot.
01:20:41.60
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh for fucks sake.
01:20:43.00
Michael Brueggeman
four or five times now in Missouri. and people keep voting it down so now they're trying to like sneak it into this like We're protecting children. Thing.
01:20:54.51
Michael Brueggeman
uh
01:20:55.79
Wednesday Lee Friday
If they wanted to protect children, we would have seen the Epstein files a year ago.
01:20:56.13
Michael Brueggeman
So, yeah, I keep getting ads for that show. Let's go.
01:21:00.31
Wednesday Lee Friday
What the fuck, man?
01:21:00.55
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah. really For real. But yeah, I want to get Apple TV. we We actually canceled Apple TV recently. I was just trying to pare things down. i I do.
01:21:11.56
Michael Brueggeman
We should pick it up again pretty soon because there's a few shows on there you can watch.
01:21:13.43
Wednesday Lee Friday
We don't actually have the the service. We just have the box.
01:21:16.62
Michael Brueggeman
Oh no.
01:21:17.99
Wednesday Lee Friday
not the apple tv like channel no just because the apple tv box lets you get everything so
01:21:18.36
Michael Brueggeman
You got so much good stuff. Yeah.
01:21:24.45
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:21:24.68
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, like anything when we first got it, it didn't do prime.
01:21:25.36
Michael Brueggeman
Oh wow.
01:21:28.78
Wednesday Lee Friday
Apple and Amazon weren't getting along. So you couldn't you couldn't watch Apple TV through.
01:21:31.86
Michael Brueggeman
I don't know, Seth.
01:21:34.88
Wednesday Lee Friday
uh what i would i forget what they called it the apple stick they're the
01:21:39.15
Michael Brueggeman
You know.
01:21:39.50
Wednesday Lee Friday
The uh... yeah prime had like their own stick i forget what it was But yeah, they they didn't work with each other. And now my understanding is they both do, but I don't pay for Apple Plus.
01:21:51.61
Wednesday Lee Friday
Because...
01:21:52.09
Michael Brueggeman
Okay.
01:21:53.23
Wednesday Lee Friday
It's like Netflix to me.
01:21:54.08
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:21:54.38
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like I don't. want to support the company that much so if there's something I want to see I'll get it for ah like long enough to see it
01:21:58.50
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:22:02.83
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, like when Mike, Mike.
01:22:03.78
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:22:04.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
Whenever Mike Flanagan releases a new thing, ah ah I'm like, okay, well, I got to get whatever channel that's on for two weeks because Flanagan's my boy.
01:22:08.81
Michael Brueggeman
Okay. oh he's good Yeah.
01:22:14.34
Wednesday Lee Friday
He's my boy. You better not fuck up, Carrie.
01:22:16.52
Michael Brueggeman
Dude. Yeah.
01:22:17.56
Wednesday Lee Friday
I'll be so upset.
01:22:19.63
Michael Brueggeman
What's he work? Yeah, Carrie. Yeah, that's what he's working on now
01:22:21.67
Wednesday Lee Friday
He's doing Carrie, and then after that, he's doing The Mist.
01:22:22.78
Michael Brueggeman
Hmm.
01:22:25.81
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah. Oh, really?
01:22:27.17
Wednesday Lee Friday
And I love The Mist so much.
01:22:27.100
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:22:29.42
Wednesday Lee Friday
So, so much. I love that movie. And then they did the series and it was so bad. Like it was just offensively. horrifically like mr king why would you allow this bad.
01:22:42.63
Michael Brueggeman
Well, he's He's easy though.
01:22:45.52
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, you know what
01:22:45.86
Michael Brueggeman
He allows a lot.
01:22:47.29
Wednesday Lee Friday
But that's the thing. The mist made Under the Dome show look like... the stand. I mean, it...
01:22:53.59
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:22:54.48
Wednesday Lee Friday
because i didn't like under the dome either i thought it took some really ridiculous liberties in the name of stretching it out to multiple seasons and that was so unnecessary
01:22:54.94
Michael Brueggeman
Okay.
01:23:02.51
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:23:04.38
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, like because it's.
01:23:04.67
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah, I fell off of that one.
01:23:06.47
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah and and why i watched it because i got paid to watch it i was reviewing it i think i was reviewing for not screen rant but maybe it was uh mania at that time but um yeah i literally only watched it because i was being paid to and i still was like no you need to pay me more if you want me to do another season of this
01:23:28.55
Wednesday Lee Friday
Once people started just like bopping in and out of the dome willy nilly and they're like introducing new characters in the second season. Like, wait, you're telling me there was a scientist in town the whole time and they just stayed in their house the whole first season while this was happening?
01:23:37.60
Michael Brueggeman
Oh, Lord.
01:23:46.37
Wednesday Lee Friday
How dumb do I look? I couldn't possibly look that dumb.
01:23:51.97
Wednesday Lee Friday
but But yeah, Flanagan.
01:23:52.06
Michael Brueggeman
Wow.
01:23:53.83
Wednesday Lee Friday
Good one. Okay.
01:23:55.88
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:23:56.23
Wednesday Lee Friday
Sorry, that got a little tangenty. um
01:23:58.97
Michael Brueggeman
Oh, no, I'm a fan, yeah.
01:23:59.03
Wednesday Lee Friday
So you.
01:24:00.06
Michael Brueggeman
know
01:24:01.75
Wednesday Lee Friday
You are a dead. And you are a dad in a climate where young men are being led astray by programming and and toxic incel culture.
01:24:04.14
Michael Brueggeman
Yes.
01:24:12.30
Wednesday Lee Friday
How's that how's that going for you?
01:24:15.14
Michael Brueggeman
It's going well. um yeah I mean, I gotta to admit that there was a... you know, There were some concerns a few years ago, like during the during the lockdown, during quarantine.
01:24:30.70
Michael Brueggeman
When everybody was... Spending a lot more time on the internet there is like You know You hear about things like...
01:24:42.32
Michael Brueggeman
The kids will tell you something like it's kind of like adjacent to the thing, you know. some of these opinions. And you're like, look. Yes, that's true, but...
01:24:54.79
Michael Brueggeman
this is where it's usually coming from. And. you know But overall, like... like I don't worry too much about like the kids' opinions because...
01:25:06.20
Michael Brueggeman
They just, you know... They all have pretty good heads on their shoulders, like about that sort of thing. Um, but i don't know it's just you just have to be vigilant and you have to like talk to You have to talk to your kids. like
01:25:22.84
Michael Brueggeman
Teenagers. E. You kind of recognize when it's time to start talking to them like like an adult like that you know they're they're they're going to be influenced and they're going to start forming opinions they're kind of like It's kind of the time in their life when they become like a full person And...
01:25:42.91
Michael Brueggeman
you know, You gotta like... be involved in like the person that they're going to become Um. So... I think...
01:25:56.95
Michael Brueggeman
You know, and then, the like, the 12-year-old is like... I'm just like dreading. when he's like old enough to like I mean it's getting to that point already I guess.
01:26:11.06
Michael Brueggeman
you're starting to realize like some of like the youtubers that he loves are like total douchebags, you know? And so... It's kind of, it's, you know.
01:26:24.62
Michael Brueggeman
It kind of sucks. You can see their a little hearts break. but um Like it's it's a small price to pay for this like to have your kids like not become douchebags. So Uh...
01:26:37.44
Michael Brueggeman
You know It sucks to see him disappointed, but it's good that they... are disappointed. by that sort of thing Um...
01:26:48.23
Michael Brueggeman
So, you know.
01:26:52.25
Michael Brueggeman
I just like, I think that
01:26:56.24
Michael Brueggeman
They were raised right. I i do think that like...
01:27:01.85
Michael Brueggeman
That... You know, I do think that anybody If you... if you Converse with your children and pay enough attention that you know And like, if you yourself have.
01:27:15.29
Michael Brueggeman
Good values. but that they will be all right. But it is scary, you know. There's... There's a lot of Radicals, there's a lot of people. You know, I mean, there are whole groups now.
01:27:32.11
Michael Brueggeman
There's so many different groups. You know, like there always have been. Extremist. ah you know. nationalist bigoted groups. out in the world uh but it's it just it feels like there's so many more And there's so many there's so much ah
01:27:53.66
Michael Brueggeman
like, half weighing it. you know like
01:27:55.98
Wednesday Lee Friday
uh-huh
01:27:57.81
Michael Brueggeman
You know like how They kind of... you know, it's Like... you know. How many Proud Boys are, like, brown?
01:28:09.16
Michael Brueggeman
Persons.
01:28:09.58
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right.
01:28:10.30
Michael Brueggeman
And it's like...
01:28:11.59
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, their lead guy was his name is Enrique
01:28:12.49
Michael Brueggeman
is
01:28:15.58
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:28:16.76
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like, dude, we can see ya.
01:28:17.72
Michael Brueggeman
And it's like... Yeah. So it's it's wild, man.
01:28:25.87
Michael Brueggeman
So, yeah, i mean i just it feels like there's just so much more of it. Or maybe they're just... in more communication. or whatever but You know, it can't it can be concerning, but I don't...
01:28:38.00
Michael Brueggeman
i don't really have to worry Never had to worry too much. So that's good.
01:28:42.96
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well that's good. You know, I actually, um I should have done this like half an hour ago. I'm supposed to stop at the halfway point and read the names of our supporters and I forgot to do it. So I got to do it now. Okay.
01:28:56.95
Wednesday Lee Friday
um
01:28:57.32
Michael Brueggeman
Okay.
01:28:57.79
Wednesday Lee Friday
So... Um, well, we have supporters that come to us through coffee. That's K O hyphen F I. And they'll give, you know, between two and $10 a month, usually just to.
01:29:08.88
Michael Brueggeman
Thank you so much.
01:29:09.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
Help us keep the lights on around here.
01:29:11.13
Michael Brueggeman
your life.
01:29:11.96
Wednesday Lee Friday
So...
01:29:12.97
Michael Brueggeman
so
01:29:13.33
Wednesday Lee Friday
This month, we want to thank.
01:29:15.61
Michael Brueggeman
friday
01:29:15.79
Wednesday Lee Friday
Van Weller, Shannon Fleckenstein, Kathy Martin, Lisa Linderman, Laura Wagonlander, that damn Jim.
01:29:16.61
Michael Brueggeman
physics one
01:29:24.18
Wednesday Lee Friday
Rusty Shackelford, Bradley and Fred, and our mega supporters who are Brianna Simmons, Alison Huff.
01:29:28.18
Michael Brueggeman
ven car brinna simmons all what
01:29:31.54
Wednesday Lee Friday
Nemu Ravenfall and Loki.
01:29:33.95
Michael Brueggeman
right a glo
01:29:35.77
Wednesday Lee Friday
So, big thanks to all of them. Now, Michael, I want to ask you what is the best thing about being a dad?
01:29:50.68
Michael Brueggeman
Sorry, guys. I think... um Best thing about being a dad. is all of the money I get for the government. For being a dad.
01:30:01.93
Wednesday Lee Friday
ah
01:30:02.29
Michael Brueggeman
Um, All right. ah No, it's neat when they think they start turning it into like... full-fledged persons like It's just really cool and we get interested in things and then they like They come in like...
01:30:20.53
Michael Brueggeman
suggest artists to you that you've been listening to for like 20 years?
01:30:24.74
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah ah Oh my gosh, that's so funny. I was actually in a store. And a kid, I had... ah you know, of one of those popsockets on my phone.
01:30:37.66
Wednesday Lee Friday
And it said Wednesday in the font for like the Wednesday show from Netflix. And so a girl saw it in a store and was like, oh, do you have that because of the show? And I'm like, well, yeah, but my name is also Wednesday.
01:30:53.21
Wednesday Lee Friday
And she says, There's a band called The Cramps. Have you ever heard of Goo Goo Muck? Like, my God, I like. drank to Goo Goo Muck in the 80s.
01:31:05.56
Wednesday Lee Friday
like but you can't say that to a child but like yes i i am familiar with with lux
01:31:05.96
Michael Brueggeman
Right.
01:31:11.32
Wednesday Lee Friday
That's that's the thing I know. So. Yeah, well, and the whole Wednesday stuff is hilarious because kids will be like, Oh my god, are you named after Christina Ricci?
01:31:22.19
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like... Uh, sure.
01:31:23.47
Michael Brueggeman
you
01:31:25.91
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like...
01:31:26.08
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:31:26.58
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like, yeah, that that came out when I was in college, but yeah, we can go with that.
01:31:31.79
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah, right.
01:31:34.34
Wednesday Lee Friday
We're actually... um We're nearing the end of our time. So what I need to know is, was there anything you wanted to talk about that we did not get to?
01:31:44.54
Michael Brueggeman
don't think so.
01:31:47.16
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay. Well, we covered a lot of good ground, so.
01:31:47.97
Michael Brueggeman
I'm in trouble. having Yeah. Yeah, I have trouble thinking of things too when put on the spot. Like, ah you know, like when you go to like a doctor's office and all of the issues.
01:31:59.54
Michael Brueggeman
That you want to talk to your doctor about you remember like one of them
01:32:03.40
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh right, I always make a list.
01:32:03.53
Michael Brueggeman
that That's what it's like for me anyway.
01:32:06.22
Wednesday Lee Friday
Whether it's my doctor or Millie's doctor, I always bust out a list because I learned the hard way that.
01:32:06.35
Michael Brueggeman
Oh yeah. Thanks, Ned.
01:32:12.65
Wednesday Lee Friday
That always happens to me and be like, no, I apparently my health is good.
01:32:15.19
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:32:16.08
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, aren't you in heart heart failure? Oh, yeah, except for that. Like what?
01:32:19.75
Michael Brueggeman
there Yeah.
01:32:23.20
Wednesday Lee Friday
um We also like to give guests an opportunity to ask me a question. So now is the time for that if you have one.
01:32:31.11
Michael Brueggeman
I wanted to and then I didn't think of one.
01:32:34.06
Wednesday Lee Friday
Aww.
01:32:34.68
Michael Brueggeman
Uh...
01:32:35.01
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well.
01:32:36.78
Michael Brueggeman
Wait. Hold on.
01:32:40.58
Wednesday Lee Friday
I'm holding on.
01:32:40.83
Michael Brueggeman
Oh. When? When is book three coming out?
01:32:46.48
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know what? It is entirely possible that I will have it done in time for the midterms. If not, I will have it by Christmas. But yeah, one of the two. i might actually save it for my birthday because that's like the end of november but uh yeah soon very soon i can absolutely see the ending from where i am now i'm talking maybe Three more chapters. it's It's so close now. It's so close to being done.
01:33:11.72
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah. Well, yeah. if Man, it would be great if you could get out get it out with with you know the midterms, like you know like when the... The... the I mean, you probably don't know that this specific example, but like when the magic set comes out at the same time as the new episode of the show.
01:33:27.100
Michael Brueggeman
you know. You get that you get that bump
01:33:30.13
Wednesday Lee Friday
well isn't there some craziness going on with with magic right now like there were new cards and people like bought a whole bunch of cards because they were hoping to gouge their fellow fans but then they made enough for everybody have you have you heard about this have you seen this
01:33:46.80
Michael Brueggeman
I mean, that's like kind of a thing that's like almost always happening. They did have a recent... set out like a ah recent secret layer come out that was like Which is where it scars the order directly from.
01:34:00.79
Michael Brueggeman
the company and uh They did. um Like an homage to the original playtest cards which were like These sort of like black and white cards with like...
01:34:16.63
Michael Brueggeman
um you know it would be like a picture of spock or like Or whatever, you know, they use to make the cards to playtest with. and They did an homage to that with the art collective Mischief. And.
01:34:31.89
Michael Brueggeman
It was like a limited... uh time thing in the website crashed and i'm almost glad for it because it was like the first time they'd done a randomized booster product through the secret layer and it was like 20 a pack and it's like i really feel like i kind of hate the whole secret layer thing i feel like they've done enough to like Kick.
01:34:54.36
Michael Brueggeman
local game stores out of their business model. that like If they want to make that product, they should just... sell it to local game stores and let them Have it and make a little money. So
01:35:08.99
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right that makes sense.
01:35:09.66
Michael Brueggeman
But it was always a controversy.
01:35:12.38
Wednesday Lee Friday
Huh. Interesting. Alright, dude. It is now time for the medlib. Are you ready for this?
01:35:20.94
Michael Brueggeman
I believe so.
01:35:22.28
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay. Cool. Well then, let's start with a verb.
01:35:29.07
Michael Brueggeman
Uh...
01:35:32.01
Michael Brueggeman
spelunking.
01:35:37.19
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay, that's present tense, so it's gonna be spelunk.
01:35:41.35
Michael Brueggeman
colon
01:35:41.99
Wednesday Lee Friday
ah Let's see. Nouns. I need one, two. Three singular. Oh, four. I need four singular nouns.
01:35:51.93
Michael Brueggeman
Four singular nouns. Right. cranberry
01:35:59.25
Michael Brueggeman
Jackhammer. Uh... Explosion.
01:36:07.41
Michael Brueggeman
Notebook.
01:36:09.81
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay, and we're gonna need some adjectives one two three four Five adjectives, please.
01:36:21.64
Michael Brueggeman
A lot of adjectives. ah Slimy.
01:36:27.27
Michael Brueggeman
Numerous
01:36:30.84
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah. chicanerous
01:36:36.32
Michael Brueggeman
bloated
01:36:40.17
Michael Brueggeman
a Starved.
01:36:44.68
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay, and I need a part of the body.
01:36:49.30
Michael Brueggeman
Skull.
01:36:51.90
Wednesday Lee Friday
And. a plural noun
01:36:56.38
Michael Brueggeman
love Beanie babies.
01:37:02.39
Wednesday Lee Friday
All right, I need another part of the body.
01:37:07.81
Michael Brueggeman
Thumbnail.
01:37:12.46
Wednesday Lee Friday
And a number.
01:37:18.87
Michael Brueggeman
ah 516
01:37:24.79
Wednesday Lee Friday
o Okay. So this is called Celebrity Interview. Movie critic Daisy Meadows had the chance to spelunk with international cranberry star Brad Clooney and chat about.
01:37:41.50
Wednesday Lee Friday
his new project, The Michael Chronicles. Oh, because it said person in room and that's always the guest. I didn't say that. ah Daisy.
01:37:52.12
Wednesday Lee Friday
Forgive me if I'm a bit skull-tied. I'm such a slimy fan of yours. You're the handsomest jackhammer I've ever laid eyes on.
01:38:03.35
Wednesday Lee Friday
Brad, that's so numerous of you to say. Daisy. So, Brad, in this movie... Are you a good explosion or a chicanerous guy?
01:38:15.84
Wednesday Lee Friday
Bread. I play a bloated guy who gets mixed up with some beanie babies who may or may not be on the wrong side of the law. I spend a lot of the movie thoughtfully scratching my thumbnail.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Daisy. There is already buzz that this role will earn you a Notebook Award nomination. Bread. A happy, starved audience is all I want.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
And my $516 salary.
01:38:50.18
Wednesday Lee Friday
irreverent and I would watch the hell out of that movie man
01:38:53.77
Michael Brueggeman
Sounds good.
01:38:54.76
Wednesday Lee Friday
We never actually got a Beanie Babies movie, did we?
01:38:58.42
Michael Brueggeman
He did not.
01:38:58.65
Wednesday Lee Friday
I don't. I don't think we did
01:38:59.43
Michael Brueggeman
I think they're coming back though.
01:39:01.45
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh no, that's all we fucking need.
01:39:03.15
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:39:03.93
Wednesday Lee Friday
Maybe we can have them fight our Funkos.
01:39:05.01
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah.
01:39:06.99
Wednesday Lee Friday
Never.
01:39:06.99
Michael Brueggeman
See ya, fuckin' Funkos!
01:39:08.06
Wednesday Lee Friday
Peony babies versus the Funko pops. Yeah, okay. I think i think ah pops have got that one. Like, really? You beanie babies think you're going to fight all the dragons from Game of Thrones, including the zombie one?
01:39:16.36
Michael Brueggeman
yeah
01:39:21.56
Wednesday Lee Friday
I don't. Oh, spoiler alert. I don't think you are.
01:39:27.05
Wednesday Lee Friday
all right man well it was so great having you here i'm really glad we could do this
01:39:31.25
Michael Brueggeman
Yeah. It was fun.
01:39:33.49
Wednesday Lee Friday
Cool. Well, I'm glad of that as well. um I want to remind listeners to find us on Ko-fi. We have a blog over there. We don't blog very much, but we will let you know who's been on the show, who's coming up, and where you can get more information for all of our guests. So we will see everybody next week.
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