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Wednesday Lee Friday
one You are listening to the Mentally Oddcast. My name is Wednesday, Lee Friday, and we are brought to you by Sometimes Hilarious Horror Magazine.
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Dave
This week we have the weekend.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
This week we have David Kemp who has written over 50 short stories, many with ah horror themes. So um he's actually won several writing awards and is a frequent contributor to Masters of Horror UK.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
He's written two children's books, four plays, has two short story collections available, and has produced a few short films and audio dramas. um I love audio dramas, I'm big fan.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
So um hi, Dave. Thanks for being here.
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Dave
Hey Wednesday, it's a pleasure to be here. I've been looking forward to this for a long time.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Right, right. So um and generally, we like to get started by asking guests to tell us the story of the first horror movie that they remember seeing. And I am excited to hear yours.
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Dave
Yeah, it's that's kind of it's a kind of like a ah little complicated because, you know, your memory doesn't go all the way back, obviously, you know. Um, I don't know if I should count Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein, like on shock theater, but I guess in a way that will.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
If it scared you, then you should.
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Dave
Okay. Well, I guess it, it scared me a little bit. So I guess we could technically make that the first one that would definitely be followed by, uh, this is really dating me here with my age, uh, cold check, the night stalker, uh, early seventies.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Nice. Nice.
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Dave
Watch that with my, grandfather uh moly i just i don't know that vampire seemed really real to me when i was little you know and then my grandfather had also taken me to see even though it's i think it rated g it wasn't even horror per se but sinbad in the eye of the tiger uh the uh the the the witch lady who was like the villain when she turned herself into a seagull and she didn't have enough magic to transform back and she had like a uh
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh,
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Wednesday Lee Friday
oh okay. Yeah.
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Dave
a seagull foot. I was like traumatized. I was like, that poor woman has a seagull foot.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow. Yeah.
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Dave
That's so awful. Then I guess, uh, orca, which, you know, one of the better of the jaws, better of the jaws ripoffs, you know, cause had a nice,
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh my gosh.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, the whole thing with the pup and them hosing it off the deck of the ship just terrified me as a kid.
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Dave
that was quite, quite.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
That was horrifying.
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Dave
Yeah. Oh yeah. I felt so, and you felt bad for it, you know? And I liked the, uh, I liked the little jab at Jaws they got with it killing a great white shark.
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Dave
And then they got Orca back in Jaws too.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep.
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Dave
And they had to watch Orca whale on the beach.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep.
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Dave
That was, that was a slight Orca.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
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Dave
But I I'd have to say that watching sale, the original Salem's lot, the one with James Mason, you know, uh, the 1979 movie that you and I talk about on Facebook sometimes, um,
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm-hmm.
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Dave
That scared the living crap out of me. I'm pretty sure I slept in my grandparents' bed that night. ah that Obviously, you know what I'm going to talk about, the little boy floating in the window.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
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Dave
ah You know, Jaws 2 scared me a little bit, but it was more like a thrilling kind of scared. And then I'd say that when they re-released Jaws the year after, the original Jaws, after Jaws' two the next year they re-released the original that just had me completely enthralled i ended up ah stealing my aunt's copy of jaws and read it they didn't want me reading a trashy book like jaws but i still but shouldn't you shouldn't be like bragging that i stole my aunt's book right but um ah exactly and i just i was just like so into it and i gotta tell you
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Wednesday Lee Friday
oh but
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Wednesday Lee Friday
No, no, you borrow books, you don't steal them.
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Dave
I mean, I, I, I liked the, the happy ending with, uh, Hooper living at the end of Jaws,
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, yeah. I read it after I saw it, so I didn't... I didn't, uh, know...
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Dave
but they missed, they, they missed out on the most terrifying scene because that the part of the book where Hooper gets eaten in the cage is the scariest part of that novel.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh yeah, definitely. Well, unless you're afraid of the mob.
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Dave
That's true. Mayor Vaughn, but like, uh,
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Wednesday Lee Friday
know People give Mehran a tough time, but that's only because they took the mob out of the movie, so people don't know that that's the whole thing. He's terrified of the mob.
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Dave
He would be sleeping with the fishes, right? That's that's funny.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Alright, you know what? I'm actually, I'm gonna stop us. Because, and in all of the stuff that we have so far is is certainly usable, but I'm gonna stop us.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
um you actually write a lot more than horror. Like, I know you as a horror guy, but you write a lot of different things.
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Dave
okay
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Wednesday Lee Friday
And um so what I would actually like to know is, i mean, we're going to talk movies because we're both movie fans. So do you have a single favorite movie? Okay.
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Dave
Well, I'm afraid we're going to go back to the ocean again. um Jaws is my favorite movie of all time. the the The original, obviously.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay. Alright. Not Cruel Jaws. Not Ultimal Squallow.
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Dave
Yeah, there's a lot of Jals, your folks.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
i saw Ultimal Squallow in the theater. The American title was Great White. And it was only in this country for maybe two weeks.
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Dave
Really?
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Wednesday Lee Friday
But, you know, my family, we we be watching shark movies. So we went to see it opening weekend and then it was just gone and there was no internet to find out what happened. It was just, oh, that movie got released and then it was gone.
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Dave
what do do they Was this low-budget coal kind of theater, or were they playing it with mainstream movies too?
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Wednesday Lee Friday
And there were, you know, some...
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, they were playing it in just the regular theater that we always went to. I think like the Berkeley maybe? um No, it wouldn't have been in the Berkeley yet. It would have been just the the regular you know movie theater at the mall that we would have gone to.
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Dave
Hmm. Hmm.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
because its I mean, it was Italian horror. So we were told that it was like this imported shark movie, and it had Vic Morrow in it, and I knew who Vic Morrow was because of the Bad News Bears.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
So, yeah.
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Dave
Oh, wow. That would have been a fun one to see in the theater.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
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Dave
I think Piranha would have been a good one to see in the theater, too, I think.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, totally. We actually, me and H, went to see the the new, the last piranha that they did like 10 years ago or whatever. The one that starts out with, ah ah you know, Hooper in the in the boat in the beginning.
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Dave
yeah i know Yeah, I know what you mean, yeah. um Yeah, those were those were fun. I liked the Joe Dante one the best, though. It was just... A shameless Jaws ripoff.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, totally.
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Dave
And I mean, the, the, the, was it, isn't the girl like playing a Jaws game in the beginning of the movie or something?
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Maybe, maybe. Yeah. That the thing about like Jaws ripoffs tend to be the most shameless, you know, like anytime you've got a shark that someone calls Bruce and all the dogs are named Pippet.
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Dave
It was just. to
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Dave
Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
like Even ah like that one of the, the more modern shark movies that I really loved was open water.
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Dave
That's funny.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
And even they had a ah
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Dave
Oh, that was great.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Jaws shout out, but it wasn't until the very end, because you're not sure if they're going to make it at that point. It's like, are they going to live? Are they going to not live?
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Dave
They used real sharks.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yes.
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Dave
They used real sharks in that movie.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yes.
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Dave
And you know, like the medieval night armor from the waist down, they just use that in the water. If the sharks bit them really, isn't that crazy?
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Really?
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Wednesday Lee Friday
That is crazy, because I would think you would sink like a stone.
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Dave
And I don't, but
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Dave
That movie really upset me because it's a true story, you know?
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, Open Water is a really messed up movie. Like, once I saw it, i I had heard that it was based loosely on a true story, and you know how true stories are. I mean, they said that about Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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Dave
i know, but a couple really did. Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
But yes, it turned out that one was really accurate.
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Dave
Yeah, that that's that's that's really awful. of course, they had some stuff that they just made up after that, you know, some sequels for them, but. for the open water movies.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, and the sequels were bad.
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Dave
but
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, they were bad. They, like, hurt me with how bad they were. um but But there is that moment where you're not sure whether or not they're going to live and then they find their IDs and their last names are Kittner and Watkins.
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Dave
eighteen
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Wednesday Lee Friday
And you're like, whoops, they're dead.
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Dave
Oh, I didn't know that.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep. Yep.
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Dave
That's funny. That's not, I like that.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Isn't that wild?
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Dave
That's, that's, that's shameless. It's, it's, it's so on the news.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, and you know.
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Dave
I mean, like, would you,
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Wednesday Lee Friday
so please go ahead.
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Dave
No, I was just thinking like Straker and Salem's Lot is not Stoker, but it's it's just it's just enough that you know it's a tribute, but it's not like, you know, Barlow's partner in crime, Bram Stoker, who hides the vampire.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep. Yep.
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Dave
It's not like, it's not on the nose on the nose.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, that's why vampires named Vlad always make me roll my eyes whenever I read a book and it's like, oh, good old Vlad.
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Dave
That's a problem I have though. Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Whatever. But then you have things
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Dave
Did you ever see Dracula's dog? Dracula's dog. Did you ever see that?
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Wednesday Lee Friday
No. I have not.
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Dave
Oh, that's good. I think I came up with a bad movie you haven't seen. you know
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Wednesday Lee Friday
I'm sure there's lots.
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Dave
if if, if I'm sure there are two, if, if, if memories, if memory serves and I could be mistaken in my memory, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh my gosh.
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Dave
I think like the dog is trying to find descendants of Dracula. And it's so bad that like the guy's name is Mike Dracula.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
um my god
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Dave
So it's like the dog's looking for a descendant of the count. You don't mean old Mike Dracula, do you?
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yes, who can forget Count Mike?
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Dave
And just the fact that it's about sure
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Dave
The Dracula's dog thing. to It's just too far. Like, you know, there's enough about Dracula. What about his dog? No one's ever made a movie about his dog. And you know, what's funny is it it has the same actor and I forget his name.
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Dave
Now the one who plays Barlow in the 79 Salem's lot is in Dracula's dog.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, um... Wow! reg You mean Reggie? Uh, Nedler?
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Dave
That's correct.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
That is so wild!
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Dave
Yes. I forgot his name. And I think that that was
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Wednesday Lee Friday
we You know we have ah we have a soap of him and in my soap shop. the of The master from Salem's Lot.
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Dave
I was just washing my hands with your wolf soap.
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Dave
ah
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Wednesday Lee Friday
We were really lucky actually.
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Dave
Yeah. Yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
we Because we got a Hollywood sculptor to do that sculpt when we had our Kickstarter to start the business. And he has actually since gone on to do... um He made the the shrunken head that was in the the Birds of Prey movie.
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Dave
so wow.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
And the actress actually touched it. Yeah, and he did... ah He worked on the masks for the movie Blackphone, too. That's the guy that does our our ah custom soap mold.
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Dave
That's fantastic.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
So he did us a Barlow, and he did a um He Who Kills from Trilogy of Terror. And we have...
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Dave
Really? Oh, wow.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, yeah.
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Dave
That's awesome.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
And we have a Jaws. We have a Jaws soap. and um And that one was actually not...
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Dave
The shark? it the shark?
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, yeah.
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Dave
Oh, okay.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
And it's, it is, it's the, um like the, you know, from below the mouth up shot, like basically the shot that's the front of the novel and the poster.
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Dave
oh okay
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Wednesday Lee Friday
It's that. So yeah, we definitely have that ah available in our our soap shop. And everybody should buy it because it's awesome. and And we also have ah Blinky the Three-Eyed Fish.
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Dave
It is awesome.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Except not that. It's just another fish that isn't from The Simpsons, but looks strikingly like Blinky the Three-Eyed Fish. So yeah.
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Dave
Wow. You should, you should do Ben's Ben severed head from the, the, the inside of the boat that Hooper finds from draws.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, I mean, it's...
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Dave
That would be an interesting. So.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
That's interesting. Yeah. you See, the thing is that, like, I'm trying to come up with ideas that are, like, for things that took place after 1980.
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Dave
i
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Wednesday Lee Friday
And I rarely have them.
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Dave
Cheers.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
All of my most beloved horror things are are old things. And then, you know, I'll talk to, like, last week I had a guest on my show who was 26.
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Dave
point
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Wednesday Lee Friday
And I'm trying to talk to them about movies from the 70s. And it's like...
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Dave
je
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Wednesday Lee Friday
why isn't this working oh right because you're a fetus um well and they were so great such a great guest but like i don't remember that not everyone you know i have like basically a family guy concept of time like i'm completely juvenile but all of my humor is like 40 years old at this point like if it if
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Dave
Yeah, i i ah I know what you mean. and i can I can feel myself age as I look at the movies that I love. you know, it's...
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Like, what do you mean everybody doesn't love Leslie Nielsen? What the hell is wrong with you people?
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Dave
Wasn't he the principal on prom night or am I remembering that wrong?
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, gosh. I would have to look, honestly.
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Dave
He was in... he was in He was in some horror movie where the kids were getting killed and then some lady was like, we need to talk to the principal. And it wasn't it wasn't a comedy. But he just said, I'm the principal. And I just started to fall off my chair laughing, waiting for him to say something funny. But he didn't.
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Dave
I can't look at him without laughing.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, he...
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Dave
You know?
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Is it Terror Train? Because that one has all the kids on it.
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Dave
Maybe.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
I mostly... i mean, when I think of Leslie Nielsen being scary, or in a scary movie, it's all about Creepshow. 100% Creepshow.
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Dave
Oh yeah.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yes. Yes.
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Dave
And he's hilariously funny and scary at the same time.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
yes
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Dave
Like, I don't know.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, that's the thing about Creepshow, because if you see it when you're a kid, it it is.
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Dave
i don't know why. but with it is a great movie. Great movie.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
As a kid, you don't necessarily catch on to a lot of the the humor, the black comedy of it. um The fact that Billy is not saying crotch, she's saying something else.
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Dave
again i
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Wednesday Lee Friday
um
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Dave
the That's funny. And, and you know what else too is like, uh, It's just the perfect blend of King and Romero together with their love of EC Comics.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yes.
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Dave
And like, I wouldn't have thought it was funny when I was a kid, but as an adult, you know, when you see the hillbilly guy imagining getting paid that money and then it says Department of Meteors, that's hilarious.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yes.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yes.
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Dave
That's that's like Stephen King's humorous side coming through, I think, which, you know, he he does have, you know, in his his movies.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
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Dave
I mean, yeah, well, the movies and the and the and definitely, you know, the novels.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Agreed.
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Dave
And, you know, I mean, it's the i mean, that's funny in Salem's Lot is, you know, that ah the the hero there, Ben Mears, when they they need like a crucifix or something like that. And then he was raised Baptist, so he wouldn't have had any of those things.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep. yeah
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Dave
That's that's really funny. um And of course, ah you know. There's a, there's a lot of dark humor in the, in the novel. They're a spread spread throughout. It's, it's kind of like a, or talent except for vampires, I think.
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Dave
So
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, totally. Well, what did you think of the new Salem slot? Because people are having big feelings about it.
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Dave
I liked it. i tell you what, I, I agree with you on a lot of these things.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, I liked it, too.
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Dave
I got to tell you, cause I love the Joker sequel. I'm sorry. I just really thought it was fun.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, I liked it, too.
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Dave
Um, I loved alien Romulus. I thought he, you know, they, they hit it out of the park and, uh, I love the new Salem slot.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm-hmm.
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Dave
I do have a problem with It it was too short. they They could have added an an hour.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
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Dave
It would, I would have loved it as a mini series.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, they cut an hour out of it.
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Dave
Hmm.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Like, they told us.
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Dave
Hmm. Hmm.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
they They wanted to trim it down to two hours. And every fan in the world said, well, sirs, that's not how this story is meant to be told.
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Dave
And the the guy from Game of Thrones was a pretty good Marlowe, not James Mason, not not ah Donald Sutherland, but made it creepy in his own way, you know, and.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, my God. Yeah, he really was.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, well, and that's the thing. i I loved how much new they did with it. You know, it wasn't like they were just impersonating the previous films.
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Dave
but
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Like, the whole taking of Ralphie Glick, that whole scene had that, like, wonderful German expressionism. It kind of reminded me of The Man Who Laughs. Just that very theatrical, like, is that a scrim?
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Dave
hmm.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Are you just lighting a scrim back there for these little boys to get kidnapped?
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Dave
Oh, geez. Yeah, it is very ah the scene where the two kids are walking in the woods. is it was It was almost like a fairy tale. was very menacing, very menacing.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
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Dave
And it was an interesting, you know, compromise to make Barlow sort of like the the Reggie character in the 79 movie. There was a Nosferatu nod, but make him he doesn't say much, but he does talk.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Right.
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Dave
You know he didn't talk. He was just this. I guess he must communicate telepathically with Straker in the the miniseries, the original one. But um but like, ah he you know, he spoke in the in the last two versions of it.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
It seems like it. i mean...
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Dave
um i would like to see a version where he can morph from handsome young man to old man to that Nosferatu evil looking thing, depending on how much blood he's had or something like that.
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Dave
I think that would be that.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah Yeah, which, you know what, I would bet that Joe Hill agrees with you, because that's exactly what he did in his story, Nosferatu, with the the vampire and Christmasland and everything, because he goes through a lot of different permutations.
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Dave
No, it's true.
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Wednesday Lee Friday
And that makes more sense than having somebody that, you know, you're undead, you stay alive by, like, drinking people. So that's going to probably have some impact on your on your appearance.
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Dave
Yeah. Yeah. And
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Dave
right. and And, but also like the, the, the, the great thing about the novel that's missing in all the adaptations is Barlow's pride. And the way that, you know, Ben Mears and the teacher, Mike, like they just decide the best way to attack him is with his ego and his pride because someone who's thousands of years old must have an ego the size of Mount Rushmore, you know?
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep, yep.
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Dave
And, and I love that part where Ben says he doesn't care if yeah Attila the Hun tried to best Barlow and lost. He said, I want my shot. That's so inspiring. It's so cool. But like, yeah, he, he, he, he definitely had
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Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep, yep.
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Dave
you know, a great sense of pride. I also like, like when he told father Callahan that when he was talking about Mark Petrie, he said, the boy is 10 of you. and let
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Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah Yep.
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Dave
But of course he got redeemed though. And the dark tower series though, father Callahan really,
00:14:10.96
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know I haven't read that. I have not read any of that series. I know. It's ah it's a big ah gap in my my reading. But...
00:14:21.04
Dave
That's right. You know what? i so I still have not finished reading the green mile, which I should have.
00:14:25.87
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, wow.
00:14:26.08
Dave
And, you know, it's fantastic. I just, you know, it, but it's a long book and I read kind of slow to be honest. So, um, but,
00:14:33.60
Wednesday Lee Friday
I get it. Yeah, see, that's the thing. I have ADD, and I didn't know it for most of my life. And now so many things make perfect sense, one of which is why I tend to reread things more than I tend to read new things.
00:14:49.05
Dave
i I do that too. I've i've read Jaws so many times. I've read Salem's Lot so many times.
00:14:54.71
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right, right.
00:14:55.26
Dave
ah
00:14:56.23
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like, I'd rather read Carrie or The Stand again because I'm really sensitive to media.
00:14:56.66
Dave
The Legend of... I was like...
00:15:02.03
Wednesday Lee Friday
So, like, when I read Pet Sematary, I went went in completely cold. I was in high school. And, man, that book fucked me up. And, you know, even like, and it's not, right?
00:15:14.04
Dave
i was like tearing out the pages when i was reading it it was scared scared the hell out of me it's a really scary book
00:15:18.80
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right?
00:15:21.78
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, and it's not just King that does that to me, because man, when I read The Road, I was in just a fog for like days.
00:15:28.72
Dave
oh my gosh oh geez yeah that is that that is not a happy time story hour there that is very dark and dismal that read it's a great book but it's it's
00:15:29.20
Wednesday Lee Friday
It was like...
00:15:40.10
Wednesday Lee Friday
That book thrashed me around so bad that somebody was like, isn't the punctuation weird? And I was like, wait, punctuation? I didn't even notice. Too many people were eating each other for me to notice the punctuation.
00:15:50.66
Dave
Exactly. uh, I have to say, ah other than Angela's ashes, it's probably the most depressing book ever. read I was horrified by it.
00:16:01.08
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, I threw Mr. Greer across the room when I was done with it. Not so much that it was depressing.
00:16:05.89
Dave
Oh man.
00:16:07.83
Wednesday Lee Friday
I was pissed. Like, man, his wife is an asshole. but Yeah, that's Dennis Mahane for you.
00:16:15.40
Dave
Yeah, that's, uh, I got a, I don't mind reading like heavy stuff, but honestly, like I have to read two light, stupid fun books with every heavy, depressing thing.
00:16:26.66
Dave
That's going to make me feel depressed and down.
00:16:27.47
Wednesday Lee Friday
Totally. Totally.
00:16:29.22
Dave
I just, I just can't, you know, and then there's stuff where people die and everything. ah but there's enough humor thrown in that it's not like traumatizing to read it, you know?
00:16:41.51
Dave
Yeah.
00:16:42.43
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right. do you ah Do you read Christopher Moore?
00:16:46.84
Dave
I have. I have.
00:16:49.23
Wednesday Lee Friday
Because he's he's a great one for like people are dying but it's still hilarious.
00:16:49.52
Dave
um
00:16:55.01
Dave
Yeah. ah what he what One of his characters was Abby normal, right?
00:17:02.61
Dave
Or am I thinking of somebody else?
00:17:04.19
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, there is there's definitely that that Abby from the... the She's in the the vampire books and the... um Yeah, yeah.
00:17:10.83
Dave
yeah Yeah, it's called you sock, right?
00:17:14.00
Wednesday Lee Friday
because there's
00:17:14.56
Dave
Okay, yeah, it was.
00:17:14.83
Wednesday Lee Friday
I think there were only three of those.
00:17:15.16
Dave
Yeah, it was that her name was Her name was Abbey Normal.
00:17:19.39
Wednesday Lee Friday
and and
00:17:21.15
Dave
Stealing from young Frankenstein there.
00:17:25.79
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right. Alright, so um I want to hear about your book Damned Fiction. um The premise ah is... i mean, I found it an aspirational premise, but it probably shouldn't be. It's a gig that I would be like, yes, yes, definitely sign me up.
00:17:42.83
Wednesday Lee Friday
That would probably be my downfall, though, right?
00:17:46.51
Dave
Well, I assume you've seen episodes of the Twilight Zone and Tales from the Crypt. So you probably know that there's so something, uh, something coming.
00:17:51.45
Wednesday Lee Friday
Of course.
00:17:56.59
Dave
Um, well, it's actually, it's, it might be, might, might, might be a bad deal for you.
00:17:56.74
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, wait, it's not more than I bargained for, is it? I hate getting more than I bargained
00:18:04.19
Dave
There might be more than you bargained for.
00:18:07.56
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm-hmm.
00:18:08.18
Dave
it, it's got the, the scent. I don't know if you should say the central, kid but one of the main characters, uh, the important supernatural character from my dark fiction books, Dr. Henry David Wells, he made a pact with ah evil genies, the djinn in the first book.
00:18:24.68
Wednesday Lee Friday
and
00:18:25.66
Dave
And then in damned fiction, ah Satan destroys the djinn. And there's there's nobody left but him.
00:18:31.74
Wednesday Lee Friday
Rude. ruode
00:18:35.14
Dave
And he wants to get in good with the the devil because the djinn have already given him unnaturally long life. He was actually a soldier during the American Revolution on the British side who saw like all his British comrades get killed and he, he was afraid of death.
00:18:52.38
Dave
So he kind of made like a Faustian pact with the djinn when he climbed into a cave in the, in the course of the stories. And so he wants to be ah Satan's biographer, so to speak.
00:19:01.83
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm-hmm.
00:19:08.12
Dave
And then there's a character from my, my other stories from dark fiction, ah Sarah Nolan, who writes erotica, and Satan decides he wants to have a contest whether images of sex or violence corrupt the human soul more.
00:19:23.85
Dave
And the the winner of this short story contest gets to write his life story, and of course he'll give him a number of other perks that other writers won't get.
00:19:34.80
Dave
So yeah, it but it was a really, really fun premise because you know, it's got the erotica stories that it's got the horror stories and they start to merge together. Like as they try to compete for Satan's attention and obviously, you know, since Satan wants to be number one on Amazon, it doesn't take itself too seriously.
00:19:52.57
Wednesday Lee Friday
Nice.
00:19:56.62
Dave
You know, it's, it's, it's almost, almost like a parody of like the omen and, um,
00:19:56.97
Wednesday Lee Friday
nice
00:20:03.42
Dave
um you know, Rosemary, well Rosemary's Baby is practically a parody within itself, actually. There's so much so much humor thrown into that, you know?
00:20:11.99
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, the sequel certainly is. um Well, yeah, you know, that's another, i think Rosemary's Baby is is not unlike the Stepford Wives in that they made these really scary, serious movies about it.
00:20:15.37
Dave
Well, the I'm
00:20:23.83
Wednesday Lee Friday
But when you read it, there is a lot of humor happening.
00:20:28.70
Dave
Yeah. And some of it, you have to think about it, you know, an IRA 11 death trap too. And as I got older and saw the play live and watch the movie again, there's so many double and Sanchez and things that you didn't think about the first time was like multiple, multiple meanings, you know, and ah I know you're a big fan of that as well.
00:20:43.39
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
00:20:47.27
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, yeah.
00:20:50.27
Dave
Just to, did you ever see that live or did you just see the movie?
00:20:54.06
Wednesday Lee Friday
I only so have, I've never seen it done on stage, and I was 11 when I saw the film in the theater, so most of it went way over my head because I was really just stuck on the fact that Superman kissed the guy from Dressed to Kill, and I did not understand what was happening.
00:21:00.18
Dave
but finally
00:21:10.81
Dave
but if you saw if you saw dress if's you all dressed to kill before that it should have been that confusing
00:21:11.71
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like,
00:21:16.79
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, but see, that's the thing.
00:21:17.52
Dave
and
00:21:18.19
Wednesday Lee Friday
I saw it, but I did not understand it because I saw way too much stuff way too young.
00:21:21.27
Dave
oh oh geez sure oh geez I know I understand what
00:21:23.27
Wednesday Lee Friday
I mean, what kind of maniac is a 10-year-old child to see dressed to kill? You know, a movie about a transvestite killer that, er well, we that's that's what they said at the time, transvestite killer, which even that term is like, my God.
00:21:38.44
Wednesday Lee Friday
It's like, all right, J.K.
00:21:39.23
Dave
I understand what you mean. i
00:21:40.54
Wednesday Lee Friday
Rowling, calm down.
00:21:41.88
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
00:21:44.34
Dave
No, I totally get it. And I don't know whether I should even be willing to admit anymore that I actually love that movie. I love De Palma's movies.
00:21:51.69
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, you should love it.
00:21:53.95
Dave
It's it's just... the the the The humor in that, it was just taking Psycho to the next level is all it was doing. I mean...
00:22:00.99
Wednesday Lee Friday
There's certainly that that aspect of it, yeah.
00:22:01.10
Dave
mean...
00:22:03.19
Wednesday Lee Friday
And then just like your cast, you know, your young Keith Gordon.
00:22:04.04
Dave
i mean um
00:22:08.86
Wednesday Lee Friday
i mean, that's that's just wild because people forget that Keith Gordon was an actor long before he directed anything.
00:22:15.41
Dave
yeah that's true. And there's way before back to school, you know? Uh, yeah.
00:22:19.09
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right. Well, before Jaws 2, even.
00:22:20.50
Dave
And yeah. And that was a movie. It was just, uh, I don't know. De Palma just takes Hitchcock to another level.
00:22:31.26
Dave
Like the the stuff that Hitchcock would have been censored from, I think.
00:22:34.79
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, and I think De Palma is more openly perverted than Hitchcock. He was trying to keep some of his own sexual weirdness under wraps, and De Palma was like, hey, I'm a white man, I don't have to do that.
00:22:43.04
Dave
ah
00:22:47.51
Wednesday Lee Friday
Here it is.
00:22:48.80
Dave
and Well, he certainly ah lit it all out there on on a screen. I do. I do like the movie blowout, too. i think that the last scene of that movie is phenomenal.
00:23:00.87
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, sure.
00:23:01.26
Dave
ah
00:23:01.43
Wednesday Lee Friday
and And that movie does not get the love that it deserves.
00:23:02.48
Dave
You know.
00:23:04.68
Wednesday Lee Friday
I think it's one of those ahead-of-its-time movies that people were just not ready for.
00:23:09.89
Dave
And there's a lot of humor in that too. I mean, if you ever look at some of the ridiculous movie titles in that horrible studio that John Travolta's character works at, it's just, they do not make quality movies at that place.
00:23:18.31
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
00:23:22.71
Dave
But yeah, I mean, I was always a big fan of the, exactly.
00:23:23.90
Wednesday Lee Friday
Who is green-lighting these? Adam Sandler?
00:23:28.91
Dave
there There was, you know, I'm a big fan of the Seiko movies as well. Um, and I think, uh,
00:23:36.35
Dave
You know, diploma was taking that thing. I mean, like but when you look at Norman Bates, he's obviously usually killing women that he's attracted to and mothers telling him to not be attracted.
00:23:44.14
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:23:45.50
Dave
that That's kind of like, but you know, it, it took a step further and, and dress to kill, you know, for him to, to go with the but whole surgery there, you know, he was trying to hold himself back from it, from doing, ah I guess what the largest part of his, uh, identity and ego wanted to do.
00:24:06.91
Dave
Uh, and I, I particularly like psycho too, because I like how they switched it over and made Norman the hero and, uh, Lila Loomis, the, the bad guy that was in G and G it's in genius.
00:24:17.95
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, and she's such a bitch in that movie. Oh god.
00:24:24.33
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
00:24:24.50
Dave
And what's really great. What's really crazy is that she through her thirst for revenge, um, ends up getting a lot of people killed because Norman does go crazy again.
00:24:36.60
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep.
00:24:36.98
Dave
if if her and her daughter would have just left him alone, I'm not saying he definitely would have been seen, but, um, he probably would have been.
00:24:37.26
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep.
00:24:43.72
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, no, I'm i'm sure that Emma's school would have screwed that up to some extent because that that still would have.
00:24:45.37
Dave
very pleasure
00:24:49.45
Dave
That.
00:24:50.65
Wednesday Lee Friday
Because that's the thing is it's hard. Like I've seen those movies so many times I could recite them.
00:24:55.52
Dave
was
00:24:56.91
Wednesday Lee Friday
And I think it's still tricky to part what exactly was like with the phone calls, because you don't know which phone calls were Lila and which calls were from Emma Spool, who believed that she was his mother.
00:24:57.86
Dave
Right.
00:25:03.60
Dave
Mm-hmm.
00:25:10.13
Wednesday Lee Friday
So it's it's tricky and in that way, because I've watched him a bunch of times and and just tried to figure out like, because...
00:25:11.55
Dave
Yeah, that's true.
00:25:19.18
Dave
It's even pot, it's even possible that ah Lila killed people to get him back in the institution. I mean, i don't know if that's true, but it's not out of the realm of possibility in the in the plot.
00:25:30.65
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right. Like, she seems like she's outraged about the death of that boy, you know, in in the cellar whatever, but by that point in the series, she's just such a conniving, terrible, singularly focused person that I wouldn't put anything past her at that point.
00:25:31.15
Dave
You know? and yeah
00:25:37.63
Dave
Right?
00:25:50.23
Dave
willing to risk your daughter's life to get revenge too.
00:25:53.48
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, which is pretty gross.
00:25:53.56
Dave
So yeah.
00:25:56.63
Wednesday Lee Friday
And then, like,
00:25:56.75
Dave
But ah on a, I was gonna say on a humorous note,
00:25:59.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
Cool, but just the whole thing of... go ahead.
00:26:05.08
Dave
I'm sorry. I was just gonna say Sheriff Hunt has been voted the most incompetent sheriff in movie history. I found that funny.
00:26:11.26
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, wow, really?
00:26:14.33
Dave
I saw that on the internet somewhere.
00:26:14.62
Wednesday Lee Friday
seems like there must Seems like there must be a cowboy movie that would take issue with that. and
00:26:21.36
Dave
Well, I think, uh, I think when he reaches in to get the ice, he might've, he might've earned the title crown.
00:26:26.30
Wednesday Lee Friday
ha ha ha
00:26:30.18
Dave
And anyway he's
00:26:30.25
Wednesday Lee Friday
that's That's true because you watch that bloody ice cube go into his mouth. And...
00:26:35.48
Dave
and then he's, then he's telling the reporter, don don't you tell me my business, Missy.
00:26:39.24
Wednesday Lee Friday
Don't tell me my job, Miss Venable!
00:26:41.47
Dave
but Yeah, that's right.
00:26:45.18
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know what the weird thing about Psycho 3, though, is that woman, Tracy Venable, has to be at least, at least late 40s, early 50s.
00:26:45.66
Dave
That's, that's, uh,
00:26:56.17
Wednesday Lee Friday
And everybody talks to her like she's some hot young dame. and And I just think every time... Did you cast the wrong person? Because the guy that lets her ah look at the...
00:27:06.61
Wednesday Lee Friday
um
00:27:06.89
Dave
yeah Yeah, I know know what you're talking about.
00:27:07.91
Wednesday Lee Friday
the the room and he's like like oh it's so great to see someone without blue hair and varicose veins and it's like dude i hate to break this to you that woman is no longer menstruating okay you could not knock that woman up if you tried because she is old not a a slight on her journalism skills but let's let's all be clear about what we're dealing with
00:27:32.09
Dave
That's true. um But, you know, like ah the really funny thing is that she is almost presented as if she's the villain in that story. And she's actually doing the most good and helping somebody, you know, helping other people, save saving it.
00:27:46.93
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well,
00:27:48.83
Dave
I was, I feel so awful because when I watch it, I'm rooting for Norman to kill her. I was like, what's wrong with me?
00:27:55.29
Wednesday Lee Friday
but but, you know, the the viewer has always been supposed to identify with Norman, even though he's the killer.
00:27:55.34
Dave
I'm like, she's like saving the,
00:28:01.25
Wednesday Lee Friday
We're supposed to feel bad for him.
00:28:03.72
Dave
And you don't feel that way in the first movie, but the second movie gets you on his side. and And you're on his side by the time of the third movie, and even though he's killing people. and you know And you would never root for a real-life serial killer unless you were a sociopath.
00:28:18.82
Dave
But like within the context of Norman Bates' story, you know and you know what? i have to say, too, they they did a great job with Mr. Toomey in Psycho 2 and Duke in Psycho 3 getting you to really hate those guys.
00:28:32.43
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I agree.
00:28:34.63
Dave
I guess they couldn't they couldn't they couldn't have been in the same movie. That would have been too over the top.
00:28:39.95
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, Jeff Fahey has done done so much for horror, and he does not get the props that he deserves.
00:28:41.95
Dave
Oh,
00:28:46.10
Wednesday Lee Friday
He really doesn't. um Because, I mean, Jeff Fahey is the freaking Lawnmower Man. And if they had not tied Stephen King's name to that script, that movie would have been great.
00:28:55.33
Dave
so yeah.
00:28:56.55
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like, it would have done so well, because it was a really innovative movie, you know, Lawnmower Man. And it, like, made you... really identify with those those people. you know like We were glued to that kid's journey of being like you know the...
00:29:11.29
Dave
i didn't I didn't think it was a bad film, honestly.
00:29:13.79
Wednesday Lee Friday
No, no, it it definitely wasn't.
00:29:13.98
Dave
I know a lot of people didn't like it, but...
00:29:15.55
Wednesday Lee Friday
it it really just so It's like the village.
00:29:17.32
Dave
think
00:29:17.55
Wednesday Lee Friday
It suffered from poor marketing and people didn't know what to expect or what they were getting and so but expectations were all over the place. you know Halloween 3, Season of the Witch.
00:29:26.42
Dave
Yeah. yeah
00:29:27.81
Wednesday Lee Friday
like
00:29:28.44
Dave
Oh, that's that's...
00:29:28.43
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay, that's just not what we came for.
00:29:31.57
Dave
That's sacred to me. That's one of my favorite movies of all. I'm obsessed with that movie. but Halloween 3, not The Village. Although I did like The Village. I... Uh, with my wife at the time and my aunt and uncle, we all went to see the village and three out of the four people hated it.
00:29:50.48
Dave
And one person liked it. I think you can guess who the one who liked it was.
00:29:53.27
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep. Yep.
00:29:55.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
yep
00:29:56.11
Dave
They were like, what kind of garbage stoop? I'm like, it's a psychological thriller. And they're like, uh, you know, they they didn't like it, but,
00:30:07.93
Dave
hall Halloween three, you know, with the all the Druid mystical Irish stuff that ah was done through Conal Cochran, you know, and you, you wonder like if he was like a thousand years old or if he was just practicing witchcraft and secret. And ah you wondered how many people were Druids and how many people were robots in that town.
00:30:30.19
Wednesday Lee Friday
right right
00:30:30.78
Dave
And most, most of all with ah Tom Atkins constantly, ah you know, uh his character um dan chalice with chalice you know ignoring his kids drunk all the time when he's supposed to be a doctor and picking up some women half his age what you really wondered is what the hell kind of a doctor is this
00:30:56.86
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
00:30:57.15
Dave
i'm like this is our way this is our hero right
00:30:57.22
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
00:31:01.88
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, right. He's the kind of doctor that you get when you base all of your doctor characters on like yeah ER r and general hospital and stuff like, okay, totally irresponsible.
00:31:13.03
Dave
and he made he made it
00:31:14.34
Wednesday Lee Friday
Boning all the time. Yes. Yes. That checks out.
00:31:17.35
Dave
he made it believable, though.
00:31:19.73
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, definitely.
00:31:20.70
Dave
yeah
00:31:21.18
Wednesday Lee Friday
no.
00:31:21.39
Dave
Like, you you definitely you' depth you definitely...
00:31:21.46
Wednesday Lee Friday
no I mean,
00:31:24.63
Dave
And yeah what's really funny...
00:31:25.09
Wednesday Lee Friday
When have you ever watched Tom Atkins in a film and doubted whether or not he was a prick? I mean, come on.
00:31:36.48
Dave
Yeah, I i love Tom Atkins, though.
00:31:40.85
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, sure.
00:31:41.09
Dave
Matter of fact, my one friend ah lives in the same town as him.
00:31:41.72
Wednesday Lee Friday
sure
00:31:46.26
Dave
He sees him, like, all the time. I'm like, will you get his autograph for me? Come on, just go there and say, hey, did could you could you could you have him sign, you know, stop it, stop it, for the love of God, stop it or something, you know?
00:32:03.14
Wednesday Lee Friday
Could you tell him that I'm not allowed to read this garbage anymore and yeah he's going to throw my comic book in the trash?
00:32:03.81
Dave
I'm sure...
00:32:09.18
Wednesday Lee Friday
um
00:32:12.27
Wednesday Lee Friday
Please? Well, you know, it's still weird, though.
00:32:13.25
Dave
which actually
00:32:15.69
Wednesday Lee Friday
I hear from people, because, you know, I get to interview people sometimes because I'm lucky like that. And some of the things that fans ask famous people for is insane.
00:32:26.06
Dave
is yeah absolutely
00:32:27.31
Wednesday Lee Friday
It's just nuts. Yeah. we know Kyra from Night of the Living Dead, right? When I interviewed Kyra, she told me that a fan at a convention wanted her to bite his arm hard enough that he could trace around the marks and get it tattooed.
00:32:46.32
Wednesday Lee Friday
And...
00:32:46.49
Dave
That's pretty crazy.
00:32:48.49
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah Yeah, I won't tell you the rest of the story, but but a fan did request that from her, and did she was not amused. It was is pretty horrifying.
00:32:59.13
Wednesday Lee Friday
And and i I could see that.
00:32:59.64
Dave
that fan need That fan needs some therapy, I think. think some therapy is required.
00:33:02.89
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, but that's the thing. Like, I'm Jack Sprite nobody. And people have gotten just sort of, like, weirdly fixated on, like, I don't know what it is about, like, Z-listers like me. It's like, okay, maybe I'm doing slightly better than someone who hasn't done the work.
00:33:20.32
Wednesday Lee Friday
So, do you think, like, me being your pal is going to somehow legitimize you? First of all, i'm not anybody I'm not anybody who has the power to legitimize anyone, as far as I know.
00:33:26.39
Dave
That's funny.
00:33:33.55
Wednesday Lee Friday
and but um
00:33:33.92
Dave
Yeah, i i know it i I know what you mean. Like, I've had people... who knew that I have credits in IMDB, like, like, wow, you made it. I'm like, I let's not go that far.
00:33:46.17
Dave
I'm happy to have the credits in IMDB.
00:33:46.61
Wednesday Lee Friday
You can't see my apartment.
00:33:50.31
Dave
What'd you say?
00:33:51.71
Wednesday Lee Friday
So my my standard example, or my standard response to people that say, oh my god, you made it is to say, you can't see my apartment. If you could see where I live, you would not be saying that to me.
00:34:03.01
Dave
equal That's funny. um So, yeah, well, the the few famous people that I have met, I haven't met that many. I went to Monster Mania in Cherry Hill, New Jersey, with my brothers-in-law at the time.
00:34:15.94
Dave
And you probably remember Buck Rogers, right?
00:34:19.58
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, totally.
00:34:21.05
Dave
Okay. um You know, the 70s show and the movie. You know what I mean.
00:34:23.73
Wednesday Lee Friday
Uh-huh. Yep.
00:34:25.01
Dave
So I got to meet.
00:34:27.24
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, Erin Gray, come on. she She brought... I wanted to visit Erin Gray in the Isle of Lesbos, okay? that That's how I remember Buck Rogers.
00:34:38.06
Dave
Well, anyway, ah I also had a very strong crush on Miss Erin Gray. And um when I was waiting in line at Monster Mania to get my ah signature, I wanted John Carpenter to sign my first novel, Dark Fiction.
00:34:57.14
Wednesday Lee Friday
but wow.
00:34:57.23
Dave
And when I was waiting... And when i was waiting, Erin Gray was his manager. She came down. She's like, hi. She's like, I'm going to lead you this way to the line to meet John. She's like, she's like hi She's like, I'm John's manager. I'm Erin. And I'm like, yeah, I know who you are.
00:35:11.61
Dave
was i was like i was like, don't say something stupid. I was saying to myself, don't say something stupid.
00:35:16.08
Wednesday Lee Friday
we
00:35:17.71
Dave
I wanted to say I was in love with you when I was 10 and when I was 40.
00:35:23.31
Wednesday Lee Friday
ah
00:35:24.83
Dave
And you would not believe it. She bought my book and had me sign it for
00:35:29.90
Wednesday Lee Friday
oh Aww, that's awesome!
00:35:31.44
Dave
How sweet is that?
00:35:33.37
Wednesday Lee Friday
Very.
00:35:34.01
Dave
And then, and then I was in line to meet Carpenter and, uh, I, I forget, you know, he's like a real gun nut in real life. So he was like talking about all these guns or something, stuff I didn't know about, you know, in front of me.
00:35:49.75
Dave
And, um, When I finally got to actually meet him, I'd heard from other people and you know, you can't base stuff on what other people say per se, because all kinds of things I heard he was kind of a jerk to people, to fans and stuff.
00:36:00.24
Wednesday Lee Friday
right
00:36:05.46
Dave
the ah I had the exact op.
00:36:06.02
Wednesday Lee Friday
I've heard that too that he hates it when people come up to him and say what your their favorite Carpenter film is
00:36:08.33
Dave
I had. you
00:36:13.62
Dave
Well, in my very limited experience, I'll just phrase it that way how about that, to be fair. um
00:36:19.72
Wednesday Lee Friday
okay
00:36:20.91
Dave
He could not have been nicer. he was incredibly nice. And I went over and he had been signing the thing and Halloween posters all day.
00:36:33.17
Dave
And then I put down my novel for him to sign. He's like, what the hell is this? ah um
00:36:40.38
Wednesday Lee Friday
ah yeah
00:36:41.94
Dave
And then I said, oh, it's a novel that I wrote. It's my first novel. He's like that you wrote. He's like, oh, he's like, that's great, man. He's a congratulations on that. And then like he ah he's he signed and he was really just I just thought he was so nice. And um when I went back downstairs to finish the weekend of selling my book, I was just like on cloud nine. My brother in law was like,
00:37:05.04
Dave
a He's like, oh, how how was it upstairs? was it I'm like, Aaron Gray bought my book and John Carpenter saw my book. It was like, this is great. It's like the greatest night of my life, you know. And um they had waited in line to see Norman Reedus.
00:37:18.29
Dave
See, I'm an old man, so I went to see Carpenter. But you also had the opportunity to meet Norman Reedus.
00:37:21.34
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right.
00:37:24.76
Dave
and i i took Nothing against Norman Reedus, you know. But if I had the choice, um I'm going to go with Carpenter, you know.
00:37:29.00
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh, no, i say I see the appeal.
00:37:33.37
Wednesday Lee Friday
Sure, of course.
00:37:33.72
Dave
Because i I just, I love Escape from New York and Halloween. And I think the fog is incredibly underrated. And people are still talking about, you know, which one's the monster at the end of the thing.
00:37:45.56
Dave
Or is it both? Or is it neither? You know, it's just, he's had an exceptional career.
00:37:48.40
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep, yep.
00:37:52.42
Dave
And, you know, we haven't touched on my recovery from ah alcoholism. But I will tell you a quick, funny story. It involves famous people again. Because when my therapist, she opened up one of our sessions in an IOP.
00:38:08.81
Dave
I don't know if you know what an IOP is. It's an intensive outpatient. It's like rehab, but you get to go home at night.
00:38:13.40
Wednesday Lee Friday
yep yep oh yeah two weeks worth
00:38:13.61
Dave
i don't know if you're familiar with that or not. Anyway, so, oh, okay. So she opened up the ah session with everybody was sharing about who a famous person they met. And of course I said, John Carpenter and he was nice. And ah somebody else met John Travolta and,
00:38:32.98
Dave
Somebody else, um I don't know who they met. It might might actually have been Gene Hackman, which is weird to talk about now. But um anyway, so my therapist, she went to the University of Boston, I guess.
00:38:41.67
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
00:38:48.43
Dave
And she said that her and her girlfriends met Stephen King when they were at a diner late at night and he was sitting there by himself taking notes.
00:38:57.10
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh wow.
00:38:57.33
Dave
um I didn't know that he did that. And then everybody was so excited. They're like, oh, my God, you met Stephen King. What did he say? What did he say? And then she goes, well, he did talk to us, to me and my girlfriends, and everybody's like, well, what did he say? What did he say?
00:39:13.27
Dave
then she goes, he said, please leave me alone.
00:39:21.69
Wednesday Lee Friday
That is fantastic.
00:39:24.77
Dave
that is like And for some reason, 100% believed her story after she said that.
00:39:33.96
Dave
Because, you know, people people don't want to be bothered, you know?
00:39:38.64
Wednesday Lee Friday
I know um David Crosby was like that. I actually know two different stories of people that did not know each other that asked David Crosby for autographs and both of the autographs said, fuck you, David Crosby.
00:39:52.29
Dave
geez. Wow.
00:39:56.05
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like, wow, i i he he's he he has enough weed.
00:39:56.27
Dave
Wow. that's
00:39:59.21
Wednesday Lee Friday
I don't know why he's acting like that.
00:40:01.73
Dave
Yeah, he should be more calm.
00:40:03.55
Wednesday Lee Friday
You'd think, you'd think.
00:40:03.91
Dave
um To be fair, though, like I've never heard one bad thing about Clive Barker.
00:40:06.12
Wednesday Lee Friday
Um,
00:40:10.37
Dave
He's supposed to be an absolute sweetheart to his fans.
00:40:13.57
Wednesday Lee Friday
That is my understanding as well.
00:40:14.32
Dave
like Just really, really nice. um he you know And of course, I'm not going to lie and say I'm not a little bit envious, but ah my my my friend Nicholas Grabowski got a blurb from him that was just absolutely...
00:40:34.04
Dave
out of this world, just praising Nicholas's imagination. And he said, you know, i salute you. And I guess they became friends when they're doing book signings together.
00:40:44.94
Dave
And, you know, he didn't have, he didn't have to write, you know, I mean, he didn't have to write a blurb for him just to be nice.
00:40:45.27
Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow.
00:40:52.89
Dave
He could have just, you know, said, no, sorry, I don't do that or whatever. Cause I know, I know people that are like bestselling Amazon authors, but they're certainly not household names.
00:40:56.57
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right,
00:41:03.64
Wednesday Lee Friday
right.
00:41:04.26
Dave
and and and they And they won't write blurbs for people like they're, you know.
00:41:04.37
Wednesday Lee Friday
right
00:41:09.67
Dave
And sometimes I just want to say, you know, buddy, you're just a self-published author like the rest of this.
00:41:10.06
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
00:41:15.24
Wednesday Lee Friday
yep yep yep
00:41:15.68
Dave
I don't know. Even if you sell a lot of books, which I think is great, and I think being traditionally published is great too. But um you might want to you might want to take it down a few notches and come back to earth a little bit, you know.
00:41:30.12
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah yeah
00:41:31.37
Dave
um because yeah you know only under ah dire circumstances would i not write another writer a blurb. always flattered when they ask me.
00:41:43.30
Dave
And even though I'm not selling near as many books as some of these people, my blurbs are Amazon viewer, Amazon viewer, Amazon viewer. Yeah.
00:41:55.59
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, you know, and it's a tricky thing because if somebody approaches me and says, hey, will you review my book? And if it's somebody that I've never laid eyes on before, usually my first impulse is to get offended.
00:42:07.67
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like, you don't know me. Why are you asking me for a favor? Um... But at the same time, i don't want to be one of those jags who doesn't help people. Because, again, as I mentioned earlier, I'm pretty much nobody.
00:42:16.59
Dave
Oh, geez.
00:42:20.21
Wednesday Lee Friday
so but But the thing is, if somebody sends me an ARC and I don't like it, then it creates this awkward situation of, like, well, do I put my name on a review that found some things that I can compliment in this book?
00:42:34.44
Wednesday Lee Friday
Because i've I've told people, like, I read it. i don't I don't think you want me to leave an honest review, with but but I'll let you pick. You know, because if I tell the author I don't like the book and they want me to review it anyway, like, because sometimes that's helpful, you know, and if I say specifically what I don't like about it it, will still guide readers and make it clear that people that are not friends with the author are reading their book, which can be helpful depending on who you are.
00:42:42.58
Dave
oh geez
00:42:49.57
Dave
Well, yeah, but
00:43:00.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
Because, like, most of my reviews are quite good, but at least half of them are from my friends and family, you know.
00:43:01.98
Dave
you shoot.
00:43:07.47
Wednesday Lee Friday
Like, well, gee, my godmother found something good to say about my book.
00:43:07.99
Dave
Yeah.
00:43:10.31
Wednesday Lee Friday
That doesn't necessarily mean I'm a good writer and you should buy it.
00:43:15.15
Dave
Well, you know what? I only blurb and review books that I like because, you know, I'm not going to write a bad review um and I'm not going to write a dishonest good review, but I figure, you know, um also I'm not the end all be all, you know, ah somebody else might like your book.
00:43:23.89
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm-hmm. All
00:43:34.95
Wednesday Lee Friday
right.
00:43:35.64
Dave
It's just my taste, you know? um So yeah, I try to, I think writers should help other writers. And I really honestly, I tried to take the high road, you know?
00:43:46.40
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm-hmm.
00:43:46.52
Dave
um
00:43:46.54
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm-hmm.
00:43:47.73
Dave
and that's because if you really look at, um, the people who, who've a lot of them who really have their act together with being, I'm like, I say a great writer, but a good writer, somebody who's above competent and, you know, has written some stuff of great merit.
00:44:09.73
Dave
Usually, and again, this is my, we're going back to my very limited experience again, my limited life experience here. They don't have humongous egos.
00:44:20.80
Dave
um You know, ah I mean, ah For William F. Nolan, because we're talking about Trilogy of Terror, you know, he wrote the screenplay for that. And I interviewed him a Masters of Power UK.
00:44:30.32
Wednesday Lee Friday
oh
00:44:32.30
Dave
For him to write me a blurb, he's like my favorite writer almost, so to the for the most part. But like, just, you know, speaks to his humility, you know. um
00:44:41.81
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, I think in a lot of ways, being a...
00:44:43.02
Dave
He passed passed a few years ago, but you know what I meant.
00:44:46.53
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yes. But, you know, when people get in your face and say, oh, I'm a published writer, it always reminds me of people...
00:44:55.00
Dave
Right.
00:44:55.33
Wednesday Lee Friday
that are That are like ministers or priests and they say it to bolster themselves. And it's like, no, dude, first of all, if you are a writer, there's luck involved.
00:45:06.61
Wednesday Lee Friday
If you're able to like sit down and spend enough time to write an entire book and then you publish it yourself or you find someone to do it, there's privilege afoot. So if you and and plus, I mean, to be anyone as a writer, you need readers because it doesn't matter how good you are as a writer.
00:45:17.32
Dave
right
00:45:24.67
Dave
Yes.
00:45:25.57
Wednesday Lee Friday
If no one's reading you, it doesn't matter. So it is the kind of pursuit that I think should be humbling, just like devoting yourself to a congregation is supposed to be humbling.
00:45:36.77
Wednesday Lee Friday
And yet when you bring it up as if it bolsters you or puts you above other people in some way, that's how we know you're a dick. And that's but it's an important rule of thumb for me.
00:45:46.94
Dave
That's true. That's very true. that's that's true that's very true
00:45:50.78
Wednesday Lee Friday
It's like, are you telling me that because you want me to have that information? Or are you telling me that because you don't like that a woman just disagreed with you and you want me to shut up? Because, you know, one of those is acceptable.
00:46:01.23
Dave
right I don't know the specific people you're talking about, so I don't really know.
00:46:04.20
Wednesday Lee Friday
I know, that sounds specific, doesn't it? Like, wow. um Now, I am aware...
00:46:09.64
Dave
Well, I mean, all all all all writers, though, think about this Wednesday, all writers are saying, my thoughts are so important, I'm going to write them down and I want to share them with you. So, you know, you have to counter that with some humility.
00:46:21.38
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, exactly. There is an inherent conceit to writing.
00:46:24.53
Dave
of
00:46:25.60
Wednesday Lee Friday
And yeah, now, now if we can get a little more serious, I am aware that you have struggled with addiction. And that actually leads me to a question that we only ask with consent, which is, has there been a time when you felt in legitimate fear for your life?
00:46:43.53
Dave
Absolutely. There was, it was a, a few months where my, my drinking was just out of, it was crazy. It was like, I wasn't eating food.
00:46:56.18
Dave
Everything that went through my,
00:46:57.17
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yikes. Wow.
00:46:58.38
Dave
stomach was black coffee, vodka and seltzer water.
00:47:03.16
Wednesday Lee Friday
wow
00:47:03.78
Dave
And, um, I ate food about every three days. It's kind of funny cause it was much skinnier than even though people think of alcoholics as, you know, having like a big beer gut or whatever, but, um, it, yeah, it was, it was, it was terrifying. And I have to say,
00:47:24.05
Dave
um I was kind of like, uh, fighting help. And now that I've been sober for nine years, i feel like I'm in a place where I can criticize a rehab that I went to that I didn't think did a particularly good job.
00:47:42.50
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm-hmm.
00:47:42.66
Dave
I can criticize aspects of 12 step programs that I don't particularly like.
00:47:42.68
Wednesday Lee Friday
Mm-hmm.
00:47:48.07
Dave
Um, you know, I sort of had like a love hate relationship with AA. Um, but I mean, but like there, there's a lot of positive things that go on too.
00:47:59.73
Dave
Um, you know, um, I, I, you know, I went to a meeting the other night and, you know, it's got old people, young people, black people, white people, Democrats, Republicans.
00:48:01.78
Wednesday Lee Friday
eating
00:48:16.62
Wednesday Lee Friday
you
00:48:17.09
Dave
Uh, the point is every, everybody's there to keep themselves
00:48:17.10
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right.
00:48:22.99
Dave
sober.
00:48:23.45
Wednesday Lee Friday
right
00:48:24.79
Dave
And ah my, my one friend who's transgender, you know, she always felt like, you know, maybe she wouldn't be accepted or whatever, but like everybody was like hugging her last night is saying how awesome she is. So, you know, there, there's a lot of positive things to say too.
00:48:41.97
Dave
um I guess what I don't like is, and I don't want to make this too much of that. I probably done. I probably shut off my mouth too much and now to be honest, but. Um, you know, I, I wish people would be more honest about like what the real success rates are rehabs.
00:48:59.48
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
00:49:00.39
Dave
And it's, uh, you know, it's, it's hard, it's hard, you know, for, for, uh, people to get a real success rate, you know? Um,
00:49:11.24
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, because relapse is part of recovery. and I mean, it's almost 100% that people will relapse and come back. often multiple times. And if you don't know that because AA pretends that relapse is not part of recovery and that it's a failing of some kind, people will relapse and then give up, you know?
00:49:21.41
Dave
yes.
00:49:31.70
Wednesday Lee Friday
And that's not even just booze. That's like people do that with with diets and and exercise and and hydration and lots of things like, oh, well, I made this one change and everything didn't get better.
00:49:37.25
Dave
Absolutely.
00:49:41.86
Wednesday Lee Friday
i guess, fuck it. And, you know, go back to old habits.
00:49:46.30
Dave
Yeah.
00:49:46.32
Wednesday Lee Friday
AA also has that component where they want you to admit that you're powerless.
00:49:46.62
Dave
and yeah
00:49:53.25
Wednesday Lee Friday
And as a woman who grew up in an abusive home, I've already admitted that.
00:49:53.38
Dave
Right.
00:49:57.63
Wednesday Lee Friday
i admitted it when I was very, very small. So and it it's not it's it's not appropriate framing for a lot of people to say, oh, I'm powerless.
00:50:08.20
Wednesday Lee Friday
I need to put myself in someone else's hands. Well, no, you need to take back control.
00:50:11.69
Dave
ah Yeah, that's, that's, that's true. That's, that's true. And do need to take back control. And um I have had kind of a ah couple controversies with, you know, who I sponsor because there are people that will not sponsor guys that ah say like to smoke a little bit of weed. Yeah.
00:50:34.49
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right. Yeah, I'm aware that's a contentious issue about whether you can be sober and still smoke weed.
00:50:35.36
Dave
um yeah But I, and but you know, they're like, ah it's marijuana. I'm like, you know what? I'm like, this person wants to stop drinking.
00:50:47.10
Dave
They want my help. I'm not here to get all preachy and self-righteous. I, I, I might advise against an alcoholic, ah a severe alcoholic anyway, smoking pot because it might lower their inhibitions to,
00:51:03.58
Dave
and they might relapse and drink. But on the other hand, there's people there's there's people that can do that and they're fine.
00:51:05.23
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yep.
00:51:08.38
Dave
And, you know, and you need to acknowledge that, you know, I've even heard that, you know, cause I take antidepressants. I even heard that somebody said, I'm not sober cause I take antidepressants.
00:51:19.32
Dave
That's really kind of extreme, you know, but,
00:51:19.94
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, it's pretty gatekeeping. But whenever you get into telling other people what's best for them, you're probably not in a good place.
00:51:27.42
Dave
uh,
00:51:31.86
Wednesday Lee Friday
I mean, when does that ever work?
00:51:35.53
Dave
Yeah, I know I was going to have a ah t-shirt made up. I decided against it. So, but I was going to walk into meetings that had a shirt that said no unsolicited advice.
00:51:46.52
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, because unsolicited advice is a criticism. Always. 100% of the time. And... Well,
00:51:52.69
Dave
Yeah.
00:51:52.97
Wednesday Lee Friday
and
00:51:53.33
Dave
That constructive criticism always forgets the first word constructive. Yeah. I, I, I,
00:51:59.43
Wednesday Lee Friday
well and But it it's also often based on presumption. You know, it's like when a doctor tells me, oh, have you considered losing weight? No, I'm 54 years old. I've been fat my whole life. And this is the first time anyone has ever asked me, what the fuck are you talking about?
00:52:16.93
Wednesday Lee Friday
hmm.
00:52:18.92
Dave
That's funny. ah Well, yeah. And, you know I've also heard people and a lot of people in AA smoke. People are like, you know, that smoking can cause cancer.
00:52:26.32
Wednesday Lee Friday
who
00:52:29.19
Dave
I'm sure that's the first time, a you know, a 70 year old man has heard that.
00:52:32.05
Wednesday Lee Friday
Does it? What? Oh, is that what they were trying to say on the package, where it says smoking can cause cancer? Well, and I mean, you want you want to talk about addictions, man.
00:52:39.79
Dave
I did see this. this
00:52:42.43
Wednesday Lee Friday
Coffee. The coffee situation is out of control at meetings.
00:52:45.02
Dave
All it.
00:52:47.50
Dave
Coffee and nicotine, absolutely.
00:52:48.98
Wednesday Lee Friday
no
00:52:49.26
Dave
um
00:52:49.66
Wednesday Lee Friday
People be needing their speed.
00:52:53.11
Dave
I'll tell you this, though. I
00:52:56.45
Dave
i freak i can't remember the guy's name, but he he had sort of like an all-inclusive addiction show. I wish I could remember his name. The only thing I remember is the joke, and it was one of the best jokes regarding recovery from alcoholism I ever heard. I'll just share share the joke with you and see if you think it's funny.
00:53:13.23
Wednesday Lee Friday
Please.
00:53:14.46
Dave
It's real simple, so
00:53:17.96
Dave
An alcoholic walks into a bar. He sits there next to this ah really beautiful woman. He looks right into her eyes and he says, so do I come here often?
00:53:30.41
Dave
that
00:53:36.42
Wednesday Lee Friday
that That's an extremely poor taste. I won't have it.
00:53:43.17
Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow.
00:53:43.41
Dave
What's funny, though, is like the the the people who really don't know that much about alcoholism don't don't understand the joke. If you do understand the joke, I think it's hilarious.
00:53:53.66
Dave
but you know
00:53:54.04
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right? So here's what I want to know. Has your addiction and subsequent recovery found its way into your fiction?
00:54:04.58
Dave
It certainly has. It certainly has. i wrote four 10-minute murder mystery plays and... All of them have to a certain degree, something to do with ah addiction, alcoholism, basically.
00:54:20.41
Dave
um You know, there's a ah suspicious man on house arrest and the first play and ah the second play is literally about a rehab. um And then the third play is about a ah ah ah criminal judge and she usually deals with ah drunk drivers, but she's put into an insane asylum.
00:54:42.59
Dave
And in the last play, um the detective character that's in all the plays has to sort of face a ah long family history of addiction.
00:54:54.58
Dave
So but they're they're basically, you know, all all about alcoholism for to one degree or another, I think, you know, with like a
00:54:57.04
Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow.
00:55:03.46
Wednesday Lee Friday
So without dropping any spoilers, is there ah a theme?
00:55:05.77
Dave
oh
00:55:08.13
Wednesday Lee Friday
I mean, is there a central message that you want to convey with those?
00:55:14.12
Dave
There is, but i obviously I kind of want people to come to their own conclusions.
00:55:21.40
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay. All right. No, that's that's totally fair.
00:55:24.69
Dave
Like I said, um you are actually welcome to play ah Laundry Room and Ward. Those are two of the plays. And I think that the audio versions of them are and very good. i think the people did a ah really good job. And I think I think I mentioned to you this before that, um, ah as far as the the ward play goes, first of all, you talk about, I told you like earlier that I have a problem with being too on the nose, you know, ah the, the priest character and word is called father Malone.
00:55:55.39
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
00:56:01.73
Wednesday Lee Friday
and
00:56:03.21
Dave
So, you know, that's, that's on the nose and it, you know, from the fog, obviously. And, ah It gets even more on the the nose, crazy on the nose, you know, because I'm a big fan like you are of cult movies. And I would imagine you've seen more than one midnight movie.
00:56:20.08
Dave
um
00:56:20.88
Wednesday Lee Friday
Why yes, yes I have.
00:56:21.48
Dave
yeah It's so, you know, my my friend, the the cult movie actor there, right? told you about a long time ago now, ah George Stover, who played the ah the priest who reads divine her final rates and female trouble.
00:56:38.85
Dave
So when I saw, when I saw that the part for you know, father Malone, i was just like, George, like I am begging you, you have got to play the priest in this. I'm like, it would plus I, I grew up like watching like all of George's, uh, B movies, you know, he wasn't just in John Waters movies. He was in, are you familiar with Don Doller's movies or no?
00:57:00.49
Wednesday Lee Friday
I don't, not not offhand.
00:57:03.69
Dave
They were, he passed away sadly of of brain cancer, ah But he made these low, and i mean low, budget horror movies.
00:57:17.16
Dave
But they were still spectacularly entertaining. in my This is just my opinion, of course. um And they were all made in Maryland because he didn't want to move to Hollywood.
00:57:28.67
Dave
And he he wasn't he also used to make this thing called Cinemagic Magazine that used to help us you know make our little Super 8 movies and stuff. with special effects tips and costume tips and set tips when you had absolutely no money to to spend on any of these things.
00:57:43.04
Wednesday Lee Friday
Wow. Wow.
00:57:43.32
Dave
And what happened to ah Don Doller was he used to work at a bank before he made these low budget movies. And there was a gun to his head from a bank robber for the longest time. And he thought he was going to die.
00:57:56.85
Dave
And he said to himself, if I don't die today, I'm going to make that movie. I don't care how I do it. I'll borrow from every aunt and uncle in my family. And then he's like, I'm going to make that movie.
00:58:07.54
Wednesday Lee Friday
oh
00:58:09.39
Dave
I'm going to make that movie. So this is like in the seventies. So, uh, he made the alien factor, which was a very low budget, uh, space alien B movie.
00:58:21.83
Dave
And it wasn't really going to get that much attention, but what happened was,
00:58:22.20
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay.
00:58:27.50
Dave
Star Wars happened.
00:58:31.36
Dave
And then all of a sudden, anything with space and aliens, they wanted for all these TV stations. So George acted in all of his movies, all of his movies, uh, all the early, uh, John Waters movies and every movie Don Dohler made, I think up into his staff.
00:58:38.31
Wednesday Lee Friday
That is so cool.
00:58:53.31
Dave
So he's like a ah sort of like a Maryland icon. And I have to tell you, George is a super sweet, nice guy. I really like him a lot. And it was just absolutely awesome for me to be able to work with him. on You know, I don't make movies, but like to have him, you know, even do a voice, you know, for like an audio drama version of one of my plays was a pretty amazing experience for me.
00:59:19.92
Wednesday Lee Friday
Cool. That is so cool. I definitely want to talk about audio dramas because I used to make audio dramas in college. And I don't know, yeah are you familiar with ah Scott Sigler, the sci-fi horror writer?
00:59:34.71
Wednesday Lee Friday
Infected, ah Contagion, he's done some alien tie-in work. Anyway, I went to undergrad with him
00:59:40.37
Dave
I'm only vaguely, I'm only vague.
00:59:41.22
Wednesday Lee Friday
and ah
00:59:43.33
Dave
It's ringing a bell, but my it's not, the memory is not, I think yeah you know what I mean.
00:59:49.64
Wednesday Lee Friday
You can't know everybody.
00:59:51.67
Dave
i I'll probably, i'll but I'll remember him after we're done talking.
00:59:51.93
Wednesday Lee Friday
But ah yeah, we were in...
00:59:55.23
Dave
I'll remember.
00:59:55.84
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right? Right? But yeah, we did a radio drama together that ended up being an eight-part series.
01:00:01.20
Dave
more awesome.
01:00:02.82
Wednesday Lee Friday
And it was written by a guy named Jason Morningstar, who actually is a game designer now. um But it's it's called Deadland, and it's actually pretty amusing. We did a few radio dramas when I was an undergrad.
01:00:16.09
Wednesday Lee Friday
And one was called ah Feminism, Good Humor Men, and You. And it was about feminists that take over this like sexist ice cream truck business. And because the ice cream truck drivers are like really sexist and so like you know ice cream pops that look like boobs and stuff.
01:00:34.59
Wednesday Lee Friday
and it's
01:00:35.20
Dave
Okay. because
01:00:38.19
Wednesday Lee Friday
When I was in my 20s, I thought it was hilarious.
01:00:38.48
Dave
Was anybody smoking in it anybody smell was anybody smoking any weed when they came up with the ice cream chakra then?
01:00:46.73
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know what? No. I wrote it with some of my straight edge friends, if you can believe that.
01:00:48.32
Dave
Oh, okay. Oh, okay.
01:00:51.22
Wednesday Lee Friday
Because I had some some very straight edge friends and in college.
01:00:52.35
Dave
Oh, okay. crystal
01:00:54.22
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, i went to a church in college. So there were some people there that were not of the booze and weed varieta. Yeah.
01:01:02.04
Dave
yeah
01:01:05.53
Dave
Well, that's cool, though. Like, um did you ever do, like, any short stories they wrote? Like, had somebody read them?
01:01:11.53
Wednesday Lee Friday
I didn't write any because I did not have confidence in my ability to write until I was, good lord, almost 30. um I didn't try to write for real, for publication, for anything.
01:01:24.33
Wednesday Lee Friday
oh you know i just i didn't have any confidence because it was well it was taken from me. in a freak parenting accident. Um, so, you know, I didn't really try to to do like I wanted to do creative things, but there was so much going on with me.
01:01:33.50
Dave
Oh, boy.
01:01:39.91
Wednesday Lee Friday
I had ADD and I was autistic and I didn't know I had apnea and it wasn't treated. So I didn't actually get a good night's sleep until I started drinking in college. um
01:01:50.33
Dave
Oh boy.
01:01:51.24
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, there's a lot of really crazy stuff like that that kept me from achieving things. You know, like I didn't, I was that person where everybody says, oh, you're so smart.
01:01:56.90
Dave
Right?
01:02:00.36
Wednesday Lee Friday
You must be, why are you so lazy? Why aren't you getting things done? And I'm like, I don't know. I don't think my brain works right. But, you know, nobody knew because girls in the 70s didn't get diagnosed with things for the most part.
01:02:13.84
Dave
Right?
01:02:13.86
Wednesday Lee Friday
They knew how to find it in boys, but not girls. we were just supposed to sit still and be quiet and do our work. And none of those things were really in my wheelhouse. um
01:02:24.04
Dave
I didn't really hear that much about autism until like the last 20 years, though, to be honest. Like, you know, there was the movie Rain Man, but.
01:02:29.46
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah, they, they, well, Well, they were calling it Asperger's for a time, and it turned out that that guy was some kind of Nazi-esque lunatic, so that became problematic. But yeah, it's one of those things that the more understood it is, the more people feel safe admitting that they have it or they have symptoms of it.
01:02:51.97
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know, it's like being left-handed. People say, oh, nobody's left-handed.
01:02:53.34
Dave
Hmm.
01:02:54.89
Wednesday Lee Friday
That's ridiculous. And It's because all the left-handed people were hiding because they were being called witches and having their hands tied behind their back and stuff. and So the more we know about things, the more comfortable I think people are
01:03:04.13
Dave
Oh boy.
01:03:07.92
Wednesday Lee Friday
coming out and getting treatment because you hear that a lot you think oh why is everything a syndrome now why is everything a disease and it's so your insurance will cover it because if you go to an insurer with a list of symptoms they won't care but if you say look it's the dsm look look at this illness this is what they have then they have to do something about it so it's kind of a whole thing now i'm aware actually that you live with tourette syndrome um and i i don't know a whole lot about that is that a type of ocd
01:03:33.66
Dave
That is correct.
01:03:39.10
Dave
Well, it's um it's it's like a set of ah ticks. like what And it's a neurological thing. you know I see a neurologist and I take um antidepressants for it.
01:03:52.19
Dave
what What a lot of people think it is is um weird. Like if you ever saw that episode of South Park where Cartman is just cursing at people because he thinks he can because he has Tourette's, you know, people think that, you know, it's just like you just start like spouting obscenities or something like that.
01:04:01.37
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
01:04:12.13
Dave
um But it's a little bit more complicated than that. um You know, it's it's it's it's fine. ah You know, I find myself I guess for lack of a better term, it would be sort of what would be the equivalent um of talking to yourself, I guess.
01:04:35.74
Wednesday Lee Friday
Okay.
01:04:35.82
Dave
ah So, you know, like my, my son is always, he's like, dad, he's like, stop talking to yourself. And I'm like, well, I'm like, if you didn't sneak up, yeah like if you didn't sneak up behind me, you wouldn't have heard me talking to myself.
01:04:46.23
Wednesday Lee Friday
No, I'm a good listener.
01:04:53.13
Dave
um But, But it it's, it's, you know, it's, it's something that I live with. And I probably have a relatively moderate to mild case of it.
01:05:04.68
Dave
ah You know, I do have like the, the nervous tics and all that.
01:05:05.03
Wednesday Lee Friday
okay
01:05:09.18
Dave
But I'll tell you what, it's almost like having Lyme disease. It's something that I'm like, I guess they all but it's something that a lot of people don't believe that people actually have in my again, in my life experience so far.
01:05:25.34
Dave
They're that's made up. I know it's not. It's it's a real thing.
01:05:27.43
Wednesday Lee Friday
Well, that's actually something that we talk about a lot on the show is that people who speak openly and honestly about their own life experience are not believed. And I don't understand where any adult gets off telling somebody else that they're wrong about their own life experience. That's just way out there to me.
01:05:46.74
Dave
Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:47.95
Wednesday Lee Friday
You know what? I'm so sorry. let's um Let me pause for a minute.
01:05:59.37
Dave
and um um
01:06:10.20
Wednesday Lee Friday
Oh no, dang it! H, can you come here?
01:06:47.41
Wednesday Lee Friday
Alright, you back with me?
01:06:48.22
Dave
All right.
01:07:02.10
Wednesday Lee Friday
Alright, so yeah, I'm ready when you are.
01:07:16.81
Wednesday Lee Friday
And we're back. Now, I have not seen this with my own eyes, but I am told that you are a magician, which gives me ah big smiles.
01:07:25.62
Dave
you.
01:07:26.30
Wednesday Lee Friday
Because, well, I used to work for a magician. I worked for a magician when I got my first job out of undergrad. I worked at a theater in Pontiac and we had a magician come and I did follow spot for him and one of his texts told me how David Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty disappear. So I felt like the smartest person in the world for like six months.
01:07:47.99
Wednesday Lee Friday
So tell me about your foray into performative magic.
01:07:54.01
Dave
Well, I, you know, I probably put myself, I guess, in semi-professional or talented amateur. I know a lot, but there's a lot more that I don't know.
01:08:07.94
Dave
i it's it's just It's kind of like an obsessive hobby now, which is kind of weird because I just got a new magic trick delivered to my door today, and I just handed out a ah business card to do magic today.
01:08:19.38
Wednesday Lee Friday
Nice. Nice.
01:08:19.63
Dave
Uh, but, um, what I, I tend to do it most for, ah we have a, a carnival here in my small little town of Dublin, Pennsylvania, outside of Philadelphia.
01:08:33.12
Dave
We have a little, um, carnival and it raises money for the firefighters here.
01:08:40.00
Wednesday Lee Friday
nice
01:08:40.04
Dave
And, I'm typically the, uh, the magician for this event. Sometimes my son helps me. Sometimes he's too busy with his theater work.
01:08:53.56
Dave
But it's ah it's an awful lot of fun. And I teach magic to people, um the stuff that I do know how to do. I do primarily mentalism now. what what i What I used to do was when I did birthday parties and bar mitzvahs was I went to a place. Are you familiar with Tannen's Magic in New York?
01:09:13.72
Wednesday Lee Friday
I've heard of it.
01:09:14.40
Dave
In Manhattan? Yeah, it was just such a trip together. Like you would, they had the top 10 magic tricks that magicians were buying and it was New York and it was competitive. And, you know, the tricks were usually pretty good.
01:09:29.57
Dave
I mean, not making the Statue of Liberty disappear good, but definitely good enough for somebody's bar mitzvah or a birthday party, I would say, um or even a corporate event.
01:09:41.59
Dave
But ah they would show the tricks and then I would always get excited and I'd be like, wow, and what you know what's the dumbest thing you can say after that? How'd you do that, right? um i was I was like, how'd you do that? I i always loved like the New York magicians, like their attitude and their response. It's like, you want to know? Buy the trick.
01:10:02.53
Wednesday Lee Friday
Right?
01:10:04.43
Dave
Always crack me up. ah Yeah, I always have a lot of fun doing that. like i The mentalism stuff is something that I, I, I like quite a bit.
01:10:15.18
Dave
And, I think we, we've touched on Facebook. We touched on how we, I think we both love the movie magic, right? Am I correct? You like that movie too?
01:10:23.05
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yes. That's why I got Shudder.
01:10:24.70
Dave
thank
01:10:25.29
Wednesday Lee Friday
That's the whole reason I subscribed to Shudder and then said, wow, they they know what they're doing because I just wanted to watch Magic. Even that trailer was scary to me as a kid.
01:10:35.19
Dave
Oh my goodness. Wasn't it? Uh, and that him rolling his eyes after he says we're dead.
01:10:37.35
Wednesday Lee Friday
Yeah.
01:10:40.67
Dave
Yeah. It's such a nice performance from, uh, Anthony Hopkins too. You know, he did a good, he did a good job of just making quirky.
01:10:51.33
Dave
So like shy and introverted so that fats could just be so horribly obnoxious and you know, his, his alter ego and,
01:10:57.89
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah yep
01:11:01.60
Dave
whole that part where he says makes make make where his manager says make fat shut up for five minutes is that what he says or 10 minutes or whatever it is holy mo i mean who who knew that could be that suspenseful just not making a puppet talk for a few minutes and uh it actually has the my favorite opening scene of any movie ever i i love jerry goldsmith's music he's my favorite composer of all time and
01:11:09.20
Wednesday Lee Friday
yes
01:11:18.57
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
01:11:27.97
Dave
That dirty little apartment that had that guy and his wife, you know, the two magicians there and had their whole life in that little apartment with all those magic tricks in the opening credits.
01:11:38.01
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
01:11:38.52
Dave
Uh, the guy called himself Merlin. Their whole life was like summed up in the the opening. You know what I mean? With all this stuff in the background.
01:11:44.14
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
01:11:46.06
Dave
also liked the movie, the prestige quite a bit, you know,
01:11:48.89
Wednesday Lee Friday
oh yeah yeah i did not see that well it's weird because those two magic movies came out right around the same time because it was the prestige
01:11:58.21
Dave
The illusion, the illusion, the the all illusionist, which which, which I liked, but um people, people like saying, Why do you like that prestige movie?
01:11:59.00
Wednesday Lee Friday
and the illusion
01:12:07.04
Dave
It's so depressing. don't you like the illusionist? It's I'm like, I like them both. But the prestige is the better film, in my opinion.
01:12:12.49
Wednesday Lee Friday
well the allusionist i mean there's no doubt how it's going to end you know you know what's
01:12:18.00
Dave
yeah
01:12:18.41
Wednesday Lee Friday
then you know the romance is going to work out
01:12:19.65
Dave
Why should I sure couldn't guess? Yeah, I couldn't guess the prestigious ending.
01:12:22.35
Wednesday Lee Friday
but you did not see new not at all not at all and you know if you put nicola tesla in your movie in any capacity it's a better movie that's just how movies work i didn't i don't make the rules
01:12:35.73
Dave
And if you put David Bowie as Nikola Tesla in a movie, it's going to be a great movie.
01:12:40.92
Wednesday Lee Friday
it's true
01:12:41.43
Dave
It was a very, very underrated actor. He could play anything. An alien Pontius pilot of empire.
01:12:46.19
Wednesday Lee Friday
i was just going to say pontius pi
01:12:49.43
Dave
He was, he was a superb Pontius pilot actually, but I, I did like him in that.
01:12:54.13
Wednesday Lee Friday
well and and yeah the hunger i mean
01:12:55.14
Dave
mo
01:12:58.10
Dave
Oh my, you talk about, that's another one.
01:12:58.10
Wednesday Lee Friday
i' not a major vampire fan really but that's one of those ones that just get yeah
01:13:02.12
Dave
That's another one. I, Oh, I saw that one. ah That's another one I saw too young when he's like turning into an old man and kills that girl. Oh my gosh.
01:13:11.03
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
01:13:11.70
Dave
Oh, it's, uh, it's pretty, it's pretty, pretty horrendous stuff.
01:13:12.01
Wednesday Lee Friday
yep
01:13:18.44
Dave
Anyway, to, to sum up here, yes, I still do magic. I do it for the carnival. I usually watch, uh, you know, a couple of Ray Bradbury episodes.
01:13:31.17
Dave
you know, dealing with carnivals. And then I, then I, then I go to, then I go to perform. It's, it's, it's a lot of fun. I used to do a little bit of the ventriloquism. It's very different with ventriloquism.
01:13:44.34
Dave
The audience is on your side right away.
01:13:46.46
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah yeah
01:13:47.34
Dave
Whereas doing magic, it's not that they're your enemy per se, but they're fighting you that they, they, you know, fool me, fool me, entertain me, you know, like every, know,
01:13:54.49
Wednesday Lee Friday
yes yes we're trying to because they do want to work out how you do it
01:13:59.28
Dave
Exactly.
01:13:59.37
Wednesday Lee Friday
and that i figured that out when i
01:14:01.35
Dave
i don't want to know how...
01:14:02.34
Wednesday Lee Friday
when i did the follow spots because if you put the light in the wrong place people will be looking at the wrong thing and it just ruins everything like i don't know if i can take this kind of pressure
01:14:07.53
Dave
Oh, my goodness.
01:14:11.96
Dave
oh
01:14:12.91
Wednesday Lee Friday
let me just sober up
01:14:13.75
Dave
Well, yeah you know, it's Yeah, well, I don't want to know how David Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty.
01:14:14.13
Wednesday Lee Friday
quick
01:14:20.67
Dave
I want to be... I do magic, and I want to be fooled. I love to be fooled, you know?
01:14:23.71
Wednesday Lee Friday
right exactly
01:14:26.36
Dave
it's it's more It's more fun to be fooled.
01:14:26.35
Wednesday Lee Friday
well i mean as a a writer or somebody who makes films whatever i mean it's all about the willing suspension of disbelief if you're not there to be entertained and have fun and and do the thing and be into it
01:14:34.83
Dave
Oh, yes, absolutely.
01:14:38.48
Wednesday Lee Friday
what are we here for you know
01:14:41.20
Dave
that's the That's the redeeming quality of Jaws 2 with that helicopter and the electric wire at the end.
01:14:46.10
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
01:14:46.99
Dave
Without suspension of disbelief, that would have been dead in the water. No, I did feel like the ah exactly
01:14:51.37
Wednesday Lee Friday
as it were
01:14:54.54
Dave
i did feel the need to talk about one more thing about Jaws since we both like bad shark movies and good shark movies too, but... ah and this is probably going to make you laugh. I'm not going to say this person's name because he's a friend of mine from AA, but, uh, he was, before he and his wife retired to, ah this area here, Northeast here, um, he lived in Beverly Hills and he was a sound guy for all kinds of different movies. Like the executioner song with Tommy Lee.
01:15:28.03
Wednesday Lee Friday
wow
01:15:28.54
Dave
Oh, hold on. Sorry. Tommy Lee Jones. And, um, Also, the sister act will be Goldberg and a bunch of TV shows. Anyway, he admitted to me that he was the sound guy for Jaws of the Revenge.
01:15:44.64
Wednesday Lee Friday
i'm sorry
01:15:46.90
Dave
And then i said, you have to write me a blurb. He's like, what? And he goes, why? I said, well, Jaws is my favorite movie.
01:15:57.98
Dave
He goes, I said Jaws the Revenge. I'm like yeah, I know. I heard you.
01:16:03.06
Dave
He goes, me and my friends tried to get a lawyer to get our names taken off the credits.
01:16:09.21
Wednesday Lee Friday
you
01:16:09.46
Dave
I'm like, i said i i said, I need my connection to Jaws somehow.
01:16:13.92
Wednesday Lee Friday
wait your friend's not name isn't alan smithy what
01:16:17.89
Dave
No, exactly. And ah he goes, I've worked on good movies too. I said, well, I'll write out some blurb. I said, I'll write out some blurbs, you know.
01:16:29.84
Dave
And, um you know, for her little mention, like the Executioner song and your, you know, your good movies, too. And it was just it was just really funny. And he just said, um you know, that he he I think he's the one that if you ever watch some of these documentaries about Jaws or Venge, he's the one where they talk about the sound guy who refused to make the growling shark noise.
01:16:58.16
Wednesday Lee Friday
wow
01:16:58.64
Dave
but they they they ah They originally, I think, sent him out to like a zoo. And he's like, oh, there's going to be a zoo scene in this Jaws movie? Like, no, no, no, the sharks going to growl. And he's like, sharks don't growl. They don't have vocal cords. Like, hey, you're just the sound guy.
01:17:13.33
Dave
We're we're the where the brains behind this outfit.
01:17:13.92
Wednesday Lee Friday
well exactly and i'm here to tell you that they don't do ah i mean that bam shark already looked like a muppet
01:17:19.48
Dave
And... It...
01:17:21.45
Wednesday Lee Friday
i think making it roar was really over the top
01:17:25.52
Dave
yeah ah And it's funny because it's a bad movie that's not really that bad. The acting in that movie isn't really that bad.
01:17:33.50
Wednesday Lee Friday
well if you want to
01:17:34.45
Dave
It's just...
01:17:34.72
Wednesday Lee Friday
pretend that the last starfighter cannot act we're going to have to tangle i mean l yeah lance gas is a gem and i will not hear otherwise
01:17:45.89
Dave
Yeah, he was good. No, he was good in the movie. i thought he was good.
01:17:48.06
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
01:17:48.53
Dave
um I think, you know, ah according to my sound guy friend, Michael Caine was somewhat drunk and not taking the movie seriously.
01:17:48.74
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
01:17:57.31
Wednesday Lee Friday
what
01:18:00.42
Dave
even though, uh, I think.
01:18:01.20
Wednesday Lee Friday
i think there's it's a rule that in every jaws movie there has to be somebody that's drunk and not taking it seriously
01:18:08.37
Dave
Well, Michael Caine's the ultimate Jaws hero to get back up on that boat after fighting with the shark and have his shirt still dry. That's the greatest Jaws hero. Nobody managed to do that.
01:18:18.62
Wednesday Lee Friday
agree
01:18:20.56
Dave
So yeah, my, my son and I watched that every Christmas. It's ridiculous.
01:18:24.21
Wednesday Lee Friday
well no you're supposed to watch santa jaws at christmas time
01:18:25.30
Dave
Cause Oh, I think we discussed that before as well.
01:18:30.55
Wednesday Lee Friday
but but
01:18:32.24
Dave
Yeah, I watched that. We watched Santa Jaws too, but like ah jas Jaws the Revenge is a touching a touching Christmas movie. I like the original ending where they just stabbed the shark with the front of the boat.
01:18:44.08
Dave
I thought that was actually better than it exploding for no reasons.
01:18:45.32
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah yeah i agree
01:18:50.43
Dave
ah Yeah, it had...
01:18:52.20
Wednesday Lee Friday
well even in action movies things explode in anticipation of being hit by something but when it's a full-on shark that really does seem a little much
01:18:52.91
Dave
no
01:19:02.54
Dave
Yeah, and even even like in a ah great movie like Alien, like you can't hear somebody's voice in outer space. There's no sound in space.
01:19:10.41
Wednesday Lee Friday
well yeah that's the whole point of the alien poster
01:19:14.29
Dave
I know, but like there really is no sound in space.
01:19:14.39
Wednesday Lee Friday
no one can hear you
01:19:17.73
Dave
No one could hear you do anything. No one could hear you burp either. mean, it's just no one could hear anything. But, you know, like when you hear Veronica Cartwright's voice on the ship, and it does it's almost like, oh you can hear this from space, but you you can't hear that from that suspension of disbelief again.
01:19:33.62
Dave
And I don't I don't think there would be the the flaming fire like that.
01:19:33.77
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
01:19:37.86
Dave
But um so I was very proud of having that connection to Jaws, even though it was Jaws the Revenge. And, you know, I am a huge fan of the Halloween movies, like we're discussing, especially Halloween 3, but I love the first movie. I love the fourth movie, too.
01:19:54.57
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
01:19:54.83
Dave
And when ah when my friend Nicholas Grabowski wrote me a blurb, you know, ah the first thing, he did the novelization for Halloween 4. And that was, of course, the first credit of his that I they used when...
01:20:10.75
Dave
And I said to my son, wow, i'm like, look, I'm like, I have like a connection here with my blurbs to Halloween and Jaws. And he's like, yeah, Jaws four and Halloween four.
01:20:19.43
Wednesday Lee Friday
but what all right hater
01:20:23.56
Dave
exactly now actually, actually, ah my friend that worked on Jaws Revenge also did the sound for ah Salem's Lot, the old one.
01:20:32.55
Wednesday Lee Friday
nights i
01:20:34.48
Dave
And then that That one impressed my, so he's like, all right, that, that one, he's like that, that one's impressed, but but you know, don't take his taste seriously. He likes the movie, the amazing bulk. So, you know, he doesn't who, and and I'm friends with that director. He's awesome.
01:20:50.83
Dave
Uh, aliens versus avatars. Uh, Lewis is a great guy and and he used to do, um, the editing for HBO's tales from the crypt too.
01:20:59.10
Wednesday Lee Friday
oh man i loved so much of that show
01:20:59.15
Dave
So
01:21:02.85
Wednesday Lee Friday
so much to love
01:21:03.41
Dave
did you,
01:21:04.12
Wednesday Lee Friday
oh yeah tails from the crib
01:21:04.69
Dave
Did you read the comment did we did you read the com comic books?
01:21:06.77
Wednesday Lee Friday
you know i i don't own the the boxette like most good horror fans do so i really have only read the ones that i was able to get my mits on um but but i love the comics and i watch the show voraciously even still i think the one ah with anthony michael hall and the egyptology teacher and the mummy is is one of my most watched ones
01:21:27.84
Dave
Oh, geez. Yeah, that's great.
01:21:30.71
Wednesday Lee Friday
ah the one were adam aant is talking to the librarian because the casts of those are just
01:21:31.77
Dave
that That's...
01:21:35.69
Wednesday Lee Friday
insane because first they bring in a lot of actors who who want to be directors to direct episodes i think schwarzenegger directed one tom hanks did like
01:21:38.31
Dave
Yeah, they are.
01:21:47.21
Wednesday Lee Friday
you know just such a great
01:21:47.89
Dave
That was that was not no the one that Arnold directed was that was disturbing me.
01:21:49.01
Wednesday Lee Friday
enstomble
01:21:52.71
Dave
That one for the guy getting a different.
01:21:53.80
Wednesday Lee Friday
is that the one that had oj in it when it were oj was like the groundskeeper or something
01:21:56.64
Dave
No, no, it was the one where the body parts kept going from the old man to the young man or for the young man to the old man.
01:22:03.19
Wednesday Lee Friday
oh right of course
01:22:04.13
Dave
I'm sorry. they And Kelly, Kelly Preston was, uh,
01:22:08.83
Wednesday Lee Friday
and at the end it turned out she just wanted the money not the body
01:22:12.08
Dave
she just wanted the money. Yeah, it was, it was silly and it was simple, but somehow it like really got under my skin. No pun intended. It just really like it disturbed me. I don't know why that one disturbed me so much.
01:22:28.25
Dave
Um, but like, yeah, that one, uh, I also the one with the crypt keepers, uh, origin story, um
01:22:35.06
Wednesday Lee Friday
you know
01:22:36.78
Dave
you know, at first of all, reminded me a little bit of, uh, you know, uh, the hunchback of Notre Dame and stuff like that with Quasimodo. I, I can't, I can't stand to see, you know, whether it's Quasimodo or the elephant man, I can't stand to see somebody being like people being cruel to somebody like that.
01:22:57.98
Dave
It really upsets me, you know, they're like hitting it.
01:23:00.73
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah well that that kind of like unnecessary cruelty that's just heaped on people and you can see it you could like the the anger there that underlying like fear anger of like crowd violence it's so disturbing
01:23:15.38
Dave
It is. and And you know what? Just when I thought that episode couldn't get any creepier, you know, the the the hunchback guy sleeps with the the dead mummy woman and then they have the cryptkeeper as the baby at the end.
01:23:25.96
Wednesday Lee Friday
and isn't that always the way
01:23:31.55
Dave
I made a little joke one time on Facebook. I said, I'm watching the episode of Tales from the Crypt. I said, the one where the cryptkeeper makes a pun.
01:23:42.13
Wednesday Lee Friday
yes of course
01:23:44.40
Dave
There were some, but there's some bad puns on that show, but
01:23:47.15
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah i have the collector card set and a lot of them have just the little puns on them you know
01:23:53.05
Dave
and yeah, I, I, I, I like a Tales from the Crypt quite a bit. I like Tales from the Dark Side quite a bit too, especially the episodes that written by Michael McDowell were always the best. They were really good.
01:24:02.95
Wednesday Lee Friday
well he did the box right
01:24:03.99
Dave
um I think so.
01:24:06.89
Wednesday Lee Friday
because the box is one of the episodes that i remember
01:24:07.89
Dave
I think so.
01:24:10.41
Wednesday Lee Friday
just forever it's just a story that stuck with me and then when i met my husband we were talking yeah like we hadn't even been together that long and he was like hey do you this one story the box and yeah that was it's one of those like okay this guy is meant to be my guy um oh actually you know what tell us about venomous words
01:24:37.02
Dave
Oh, well, this kind of an interesting story. My friend Jeffrey Oliver is a wonderful poet. And this was years ago now.
01:24:48.79
Dave
can't remember which year it was now, but several years ago, at least ah he was trying to get together people to write poetry while his friend took pictures of these artistic closeup pictures of insects.
01:25:08.82
Dave
And he wanted sort of the venomous words, the, the dark kind of, you know, I don't know if I want to use the word malicious, but I'm running out of words for it, sort of biting poetry to go with the images of the insects and,
01:25:26.05
Dave
um He asked me to write a poem and this was, you know, before he met, you know, some real poets because
01:25:35.23
Wednesday Lee Friday
you don't consider yourself a poet
01:25:36.22
Dave
i
01:25:38.93
Dave
I, he really liked my poem a lot. And I, but, and I think I've written one or two that I think are pretty good, but in general, I'd say no.
01:25:53.31
Dave
Of course, you know, some of that some of that comes from ah an English teacher I had who, I became friends with and he thought I had great talent with novels and short stories, but he said my poetry was, shall we say, ah subpar at best.
01:26:09.68
Wednesday Lee Friday
the see i i take issue with a teacher telling any student that i mean obviously if you have a personal friendship with somebody that's none of my business but um teachers should always encourage you no matter what and
01:26:26.51
Dave
i i I understand where you're going, but keep I should add this just to keep you in mind the nature of his personality. He wrote five novels and then threw them all the trash because he ah you know of his own that he considered not good enough. So he just, that was his personality. You know what I mean? Obviously, I didn't take it to heart. I still wrote a poem and Jeff still put it in his book.
01:26:51.32
Dave
so But it was interesting, though, was that it made the final ballot for like the Bram Stoker awards, not the nomination, but the final ballot before it would become the nomination.
01:26:58.51
Wednesday Lee Friday
nice
01:27:03.92
Dave
But my, my kid told me, he said, dad, he goes, put that on your Facebook bio. That's still good enough for a Facebook bio. It's like, yeah, it's probably, probably the closest I'll ever get to a, Stoker, except for the introduction to one of my short stories, the great and terrible was written by Chris McCauley.
01:27:11.18
Wednesday Lee Friday
totally
01:27:24.32
Dave
Who's, Irish writer and one of the co-creators of the Stoker verse. So I guess in that sense, I got close to a Stoker. he he He liked it because, you know, he does all this stuff with Dracula and my short story, the great and terrible is about Dracula fighting the wizard of Oz.
01:27:42.99
Dave
You know, had a kind of a distop had a dystopian Oz so that it wasn't, you know, so that the two worlds could kind of go together.
01:27:43.71
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
01:27:51.29
Wednesday Lee Friday
more ah more ferusa bulk than judy garland
01:27:52.03
Dave
It's, it's,
01:27:54.52
Wednesday Lee Friday
um
01:27:55.49
Dave
Yes. so No, actually, Dorothy's not at it. It takes place after Dorothy's gone to get back to Kansas. And when um
01:28:05.51
Dave
the ah the Wizard of Oz comes back and coda has his reign of terror. And you know, it's free on Amazon if you to check it out.
01:28:11.55
Wednesday Lee Friday
wow ah dictator with a reign of terror you don't say
01:28:17.89
Dave
It's one the stories... on ah you know on amazon if you were to check it out that's
01:28:22.75
Wednesday Lee Friday
oh cool do you have a
01:28:23.58
Dave
it's one of one of the stories
01:28:24.04
Wednesday Lee Friday
you have a ah do you have a link treee because we can just send everybody to your link tree
01:28:30.91
Dave
I don't, I, you know, found I said I was tech challenged. i ah what is a link tree? I do not know.
01:28:36.61
Wednesday Lee Friday
linktree is indispensable man because you know how some of the social media is only let you use one link you know in your bio you can put a link in a buyer and bio and nowhere else if your link is your link tree
01:28:44.15
Dave
Sure. Sure. sure
01:28:47.89
Wednesday Lee Friday
you can click on that and it will take you to a page where you can put up all your links and label what they are so you can have one for each book series all your different socials any project that you want to draw specific attention to and then when you post about things you can just say lincoln linktree and so people know to go look for it near bio without because you know social media they strangle links you can't put links on things and they because they won't show them to anybody so it's great in that way to let you showcase individual projects and linked to specific amazon books instead of just being like well there's my collection
01:29:23.25
Wednesday Lee Friday
so
01:29:23.84
Dave
That sounds like something I should look into.
01:29:23.88
Wednesday Lee Friday
it's a nice way to organize i agree i think it's something you should look into um
01:29:29.47
Dave
Yeah, I'll have to do that.
01:29:32.55
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah so like
01:29:32.85
Dave
But you you can...
01:29:33.86
Wednesday Lee Friday
let's presume you'll have one by the time the episode goes live next week and we'll put your links in the link tree and that's where you can find them because as it's seriously it'll take you like ten minutes it's really easy
01:29:41.24
Dave
Okay. Okay.
01:29:44.00
Wednesday Lee Friday
just a bunch of
01:29:44.73
Dave
okay
01:29:45.35
Wednesday Lee Friday
cutrasting um now i know that you have also done a lot of interviews and a lot of them were with people that i super admire you interviewed matheson ah you ah elizabeth massey ah patricia cornwell do you have a favorite interview out of the ones that you've done
01:30:03.62
Dave
Actually, actually, it was my, uh, my editor, ah John who interviewed, which I've never interviewed Richard Matheson, but I did interview, Elizabeth Massey and, you know, William F Nolan and, um, Jonathan Mayberry, uh, the late Ray Garten, I interviewed him.
01:30:25.61
Dave
Uh, so yeah, I, I, I, I very happy with the people that I've interviewed ecstatic. In fact, And like ah like I said, I agree with you ah about Elizabeth Massey.
01:30:38.62
Dave
She's just absolutely a great writer and really down-to-earth awesome person, too.
01:30:42.32
Wednesday Lee Friday
i love her work and then i added her on facebook and it turns out that she's awesome like as a person and that's risky i don't always ad writers i like on facebook because i don't like finding out that people whose work i enjoy are a whole if i could go back in time and know less about bri easton ellis i
01:30:58.14
Dave
but
01:31:00.16
Wednesday Lee Friday
super super wood
01:31:03.25
Dave
Well, you know what? I'm actually pretty good at separating the the person from ah from the the artwork, which I think you you kind of have to do.
01:31:14.82
Dave
But i and I understand, though, you don't want like a personal friend on Facebook that's, you know, turns out to be ah not not so nice. i I remember...
01:31:28.16
Dave
going to some of the the readings here that were close and the Doylestown bookshop, which is near my my house. It's like a an indie bookshop, very big and and popular. that They're very welcoming to,
01:31:43.00
Dave
ah but i guess, local authors. i I hate that phrase, but you know what I mean?
01:31:47.98
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah ye
01:31:48.98
Dave
and And, you know, they they had a big draw before Jonathan Mayberry moved to California, they had a big, draw they they had a big draw with him and everything.
01:31:58.51
Wednesday Lee Friday
right
01:32:02.86
Dave
And I used used to go to some of the sightings. He was always a super nice guy and everything.
01:32:07.03
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah yeah
01:32:07.90
Dave
And ah one one one ah one day i just worked up my, my guts and I asked him to read my novel and see if he'd write a blurb for And he did.
01:32:18.04
Wednesday Lee Friday
that's awesome
01:32:18.54
Dave
And he was, he was super nice about it too.
01:32:21.67
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah i interviewed john maybeberry when i first started interviewing people for zombie zone news so like fifteen years ago or something and ah i only had the vaguest sense that he wrote y a zombie novels and i was like how is there even a y a zombie novel
01:32:36.11
Dave
yes
01:32:37.11
Wednesday Lee Friday
and i read it and was like holy shit this is really scary
01:32:42.41
Dave
but He's a very um into the original, you know, Night the Living Dead, the first Romero movie, the zombie movie, which which which which is a great movie.
01:32:48.59
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah yeah
01:32:51.68
Dave
i think I think one of the introductions to one of his books, he talks about how he like he couldn't just see Night Living Dead once. He had to go back and see it again, just like when he saw Alien. He had to go right back and see it again, which is like, there well there are a couple of great movies, though.
01:33:00.92
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah yeah
01:33:04.62
Dave
I can understand why somebody might want to get in line to see it again.
01:33:07.56
Wednesday Lee Friday
do you do that when you watch movies because like a lot of times when i watch a movie
01:33:08.37
Dave
But anyway,
01:33:11.83
Wednesday Lee Friday
if it's super impactful i will want to watch it again immediately just to like it's like a how did they do that watch you know so instead of watching the movie i'm trying to see like how they used music how they used lighting like what exactly they did to manipulate me into being so freakggin terrified so that's usually what that i can watch is about i think i mean for me and that'd be my guess
01:33:40.48
Dave
Yeah, it it it it it you know it it depends on the the the movie. um And some movies I'll come back to, but like I had put put this weird schedule on it. what like I'll just watch like a half an hour a day of it or something like that.
01:33:55.89
Dave
the time Time to like reflect on it a little bit. i don't know. Certain movies require you know some reflecting there.
01:34:04.14
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah definitely definitely like when
01:34:06.37
Dave
what What movie, what movie have you watched the most of like seen over and over?
01:34:12.05
Wednesday Lee Friday
the the movie i've watched the most times um
01:34:16.23
Dave
Yes.
01:34:17.10
Wednesday Lee Friday
wow that's that's an interesting question because like i certainly couldn't tell you with with certainty what movie that would be um i think at best i could probably tell you like ten movies that i could pretty much recite based on how much i've seen them you know psycho creep show neither living dead ah ah the cc b demele's first remake of ten commandments the fifty four version that that was
01:34:43.48
Dave
Oh,
01:34:43.80
Wednesday Lee Friday
that's my favorite non- horroror movie is is cc b deille's ten commandments i was always a big fan of charlton heston very much
01:34:49.33
Dave
really?
01:34:52.04
Wednesday Lee Friday
i love bible stories i love bible stories and even though i'm not a practicing christian i might actually i give money to the satanic temple um but my husband's
01:35:02.86
Dave
Okay.
01:35:03.58
Wednesday Lee Friday
so um well satanic temple does great work and for the longest time a lot of their focus was when someone tried to do something religious in a secular context satanic temple would say great we're going to do that too because you like all religions right and that worked pretty well when people didn't want to admit that they were christian supremacists but people are a lot more out loud and proud with that now so you know it's it's not as effective to just show up and be like hi we're the satan is we just want to be religious with you guys
01:35:42.15
Wednesday Lee Friday
because their people are much more open about saying well no we're we're all about jesus if and if you're not you need to get the hell out of here like yeah don't think that's
01:35:51.73
Dave
oh
01:35:52.30
Wednesday Lee Friday
jesus would say but okay um so yeah
01:35:56.63
Dave
Well, the the Yul Brynner was great in that movie, though, as as Ramses, though.
01:35:59.81
Wednesday Lee Friday
totally totally well and vincent price popping by to just be a jerk and then die that's always fun
01:36:08.55
Dave
Yeah, that that um that's why he wasn't cast as Brody in Jaws. Like, that was one of the names that got cast around was ah Charlton Heston.
01:36:20.33
Dave
And Steven Spielberg said, we don't want the shark afraid of chief bro.
01:36:23.51
Wednesday Lee Friday
but also why chuck norris wasn't cast um
01:36:29.00
Dave
if yeah I heard Chuck Norris actually doesn't like these, you know, he's not like that arrogant guy who thinks he's a tough, guy he's not like Steven Saccola who thinks he really is a tough guy, you know?
01:36:40.87
Wednesday Lee Friday
well i mean i would say that like chuck norris is definitely an arrogant person
01:36:42.01
Dave
Uh, but.
01:36:44.74
Dave
a
01:36:46.39
Wednesday Lee Friday
but that's not the thing that he's arrogant about because i think chuck norris is also a christian supremacist don't don't kick my ass truck chuck norris jesus wouldn't want you to ah
01:36:57.17
Dave
Well, I don't i don't know how how tough of a guy he is or if he was really a black belt, but I i i do like some of the stupid jokes, though, that are about him.
01:37:08.09
Dave
you know but with
01:37:09.58
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
01:37:10.21
Dave
Like, death death once had a near Chuck Norris experience.
01:37:16.23
Wednesday Lee Friday
yes yeah
01:37:16.38
Dave
and even even like on Even on Family guy they you know they they do that.
01:37:22.54
Wednesday Lee Friday
well let me let me ask you this if we can get back to your work actually if if somebody is completely unfamiliar with you and what you do where is the best place for them to start
01:37:34.90
Dave
Well, I think two of the short stories, the great and terrible, the one about the wizard of Oz meeting Dracula and the picture of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, which is about ah the artists that painted Dorian Gray, of paints a picture of Dr. Jekyll.
01:37:53.89
Dave
So it's sort of like a, a, a prequel to the Oscar wild story. Uh, I think, I think those two they're free and you'll get like a real,
01:37:58.22
Wednesday Lee Friday
okay
01:38:06.15
Dave
sense and a real feeling for, you know, how to feel about my work. If you like it or don't like it or love it or hate it or whatever. Oh,
01:38:15.75
Wednesday Lee Friday
great well and we're also going to have an audio sample in the at at the end we'll have ah the story that you sent so yeah have that to look forward
01:38:23.51
Dave
okay.
01:38:24.03
Wednesday Lee Friday
listeners so you've also got a sni-fi collection in the work right
01:38:26.86
Dave
Okay. And and that,
01:38:29.08
Wednesday Lee Friday
right
01:38:31.14
Dave
yeah, i'm I'm getting there on it.
01:38:31.15
Wednesday Lee Friday
am i am i getting ahead of myself tell us everything
01:38:35.63
Dave
No, that's funny, because like, i'm I'm falling behind on that. I'm not not quite up to to schedule. of But I, you know, I've reread a bunch of ah the older ah sort of dystopian books.
01:38:50.73
Dave
Obviously, you know, I love Nolan's. I love Logan's Run that him and Johnson wrote.
01:38:54.89
Wednesday Lee Friday
right
01:38:57.44
Dave
And then um you know, the Altwoods, the handmaiden's tale in fahrenheit four fifty one and 451. And, know, I just been going on animal farm, just reading all this dystopian stuff and also watching some of the older sci-fi movies.
01:39:19.71
Dave
So basically, and then being painfully aware of right?
01:39:26.02
Wednesday Lee Friday
right
01:39:26.46
Dave
And the the message of the first two Terminator movies. So i don't I don't know if I'd say it's anti-technology per se, but it's a it's a world in general, like all the stories are different.
01:39:40.88
Dave
It's a world where people are starting to lose their humanity to technology, I guess, would be the overall theme of the short story collection.
01:39:51.51
Wednesday Lee Friday
is that who we're going to lose our humanity to technology
01:39:56.79
Dave
I don't know. There's also stuff about us losing it to each other and all kinds of different things. I really like people to draw their own conclusions Wednesday. you know i don't like to hit them over the head with a sledgehammer.
01:40:13.52
Dave
I like, i like you know i guess they any editor, I guess, who thinks they're worth their salt would say, show, don't tell, which is interesting because when I reread a lot of these old books, there's an awful lot of info dumps in them.
01:40:26.15
Wednesday Lee Friday
gather
01:40:28.68
Dave
And, you know, and what's really funny is after you read Stephen King's on writing, I'm like counting the adverbs in Salem's Lot after he like condemns adverbs.
01:40:39.87
Dave
And, you know,
01:40:40.18
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah well and
01:40:41.39
Dave
as adver and dialogue particularly is what he adverbs in dialogue. And there's...
01:40:48.42
Wednesday Lee Friday
which is weird because he used to stick up for j k rowling before she you know let her her true colors fly and she is a nightmare when it comes to and the thing is when you listen to a book in an audiobook with somebody really talented doing the voices it really brings home how extraneous those adverbs are you know you don't have to tell us that har that hermione said something smugly because
01:41:10.95
Dave
Right. Right.
01:41:15.52
Wednesday Lee Friday
that's pretty much what hermione does he says oh really draco said it angrily i'm so glad you told us that but else we never would have known drakco was an angry kid
01:41:25.77
Dave
yeah
01:41:28.49
Dave
Wow.
01:41:28.77
Wednesday Lee Friday
um
01:41:29.09
Dave
Yeah, I never, I never thought of that. ah But yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's a lot of, she said softly, he said harshly, you know, it's,
01:41:31.78
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
01:41:39.34
Wednesday Lee Friday
you probably know as someone who does ah radio drama like audio drama that ah when you write something it's very different when you hear it read out loud and i find that it drives me crazy to hear my own work read out loud by other people it just makes me want to make edits like okay that wasn't obviously that wasn't clear enough that's not that's not how i want that right you know and it it just makes me
01:42:03.60
Dave
Well, with audio dramas, though, like in the form of like a play, i just look at them almost as if they were on stage. They're just interpreting the character their way.
01:42:12.24
Wednesday Lee Friday
evening
01:42:14.57
Dave
I mean, I have a and have a friend, Lorraine Evanoff, who writes these great spy thrillers. ah She wrote one called Foliage and one called The Devil's Ledger and Walk the Cat is the new one.
01:42:30.01
Dave
I don't know if it's a female James Bond per se, but it's, it's, it's similar. And she was an actress and she was also the CFO of national lampoon. So she's a very accomplished person.
01:42:42.79
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah well
01:42:43.46
Dave
And like, uh, like I was with George, I was like on cloud nine when she agreed to, to play the villainous judge. And one of my, this is the same one George is in. She plays the the judge who's,
01:42:57.30
Dave
sort of the the villain of the piece, I suppose. And, you know, she's just such a sweet, nice person. And when I heard her interpretation of the judge character in the asylum, I felt like I was going to crap my pants. I was like, wow.
01:43:13.17
Dave
I'm like, I'm afraid right now.
01:43:16.87
Wednesday Lee Friday
oh
01:43:16.95
Dave
Like, i keep i keep I keep forgetting, you know, I showed my son a clip from... ah a movie she was in with Dennis Hopper and Wesley Snipes called Boiling Point, where she played a drug addict, and, you know, she's just really fantastic in it.
01:43:30.92
Wednesday Lee Friday
okay i know that movie
01:43:33.43
Dave
But she played Connie, the drug addict, the one who blew herself up.
01:43:36.87
Wednesday Lee Friday
ah okay all right
01:43:39.21
Dave
So, and spent in some French movies, I think, as well. She spent a lot of time in France, but ah um she did me a heck of a favor being in my audio drama there because, holy moly,
01:43:53.89
Dave
i did I didn't expect to, you know, it was like, wow, I'm like, a real villainous is born here. She she shed knocked it out of the park.
01:44:04.80
Dave
But, course, just hearing George's voice writing a character that I wrote, I i i just i geek out a little too much, you know, because it's just start thinking about the alien factor and Night Beast and Fiend and, you know, all these movies, you know.
01:44:13.01
Wednesday Lee Friday
right
01:44:22.17
Wednesday Lee Friday
sure
01:44:23.01
Dave
so But yeah, the the two short stories ah only take a little bit of your time, take none of your money. And ah think you could pretty much make up your mind what you think of my work by by reading them, I would think.
01:44:37.21
Wednesday Lee Friday
cool cool all right was there anything that you wanted to cover that we did not get to
01:44:46.18
Dave
ah The most important things we cover Jaws the Revenge. So.
01:44:49.06
Wednesday Lee Friday
right right ah okay so there's a bunch of people on a big inflatable banana
01:44:53.30
Dave
of So.
01:44:59.49
Dave
Exactly. of So I wanted to ask, I did want to actually ask you something really quick. So you, ah you know, do you do you write during the day or do you write at nighttime?
01:45:13.68
Wednesday Lee Friday
i don't do anything during the day if i can help it um i'm not a getting ah when the sun is out kind of person i do all my best writing at night um usually on a little bit of caffeine and or weed and i'm just kidding it's never or um but yeah definitely
01:45:30.39
Dave
Okay. Okay.
01:45:31.60
Wednesday Lee Friday
definitely do my best work at night
01:45:35.39
Wednesday Lee Friday
and that
01:45:35.49
Dave
Okay. And...
01:45:37.42
Wednesday Lee Friday
it's a weird thing because
01:45:38.15
Dave
and
01:45:39.26
Wednesday Lee Friday
night people are often referred to as lazy because they're not day people but evolutionarily speaking somebody has to stay up and and watch when everybody else is asleep you know that's that's how tribes work so i'm i
01:45:54.41
Dave
Of course.
01:45:55.06
Wednesday Lee Friday
clearly one of those people that stays up all night to watch for maraus and since there probably aren't any marauters i get to make them up and write them down
01:46:03.71
Dave
There you go. So I guess the other thing i would ask you was, so we talk about low budget movies. We make fun of movies that we we say, ah you know, were bad or whatever. And I told you that I used to make movies when I was young that were just for a local cable station. And I think,
01:46:23.49
Dave
with a potential audience of 2000 hymns, but I think it was actually about 20 drunks watching them at 4am. But, um, my question is, do you think when you think of the Blair Witch project something like that, like in your honest opinion, do you think you could potentially make a good movie if you had the budget, even like a low budget better than some of the movies sit?
01:46:44.21
Wednesday Lee Friday
do do i think i could um
01:46:46.96
Dave
Yes. but ah Better than like the stuff that you and I seem to have fun making fun of, for example.
01:46:52.38
Wednesday Lee Friday
well i mean i think that i could make a movie that is comparable to say inhumanwi which i think is a very funny well- produced well-crafted movie
01:47:03.05
Dave
um
01:47:04.35
Wednesday Lee Friday
made by a lot of people who cared a lot about what they're doing oh my god dude
01:47:05.34
Dave
I have not seen that. one
01:47:08.47
Wednesday Lee Friday
it's on youtube you got to see it the sets are literally cardboard like there is a scene like it's about astronaut
01:47:11.74
Dave
Really?
01:47:15.81
Wednesday Lee Friday
astronauts that go to space and and they're um
01:47:16.84
Dave
Go.
01:47:19.34
Wednesday Lee Friday
sloppy joe gets um radiated somehow and it starts eating people and it is the inhuman which and it is so funny
01:47:26.95
Dave
yeah Okay.
01:47:28.48
Wednesday Lee Friday
it's so funny and like but there's a scene and it's the space station and it's basically a bunch of poster board taped together with a space station drawn on it and the actors come in and just do it as straight as they can and that's that's kind of what i do i take a bunch of passionate people and i get them to do something with nothing like that's my favorite kind of project so
01:47:51.84
Dave
Hmm
01:47:52.37
Wednesday Lee Friday
i think i think yes i think that if i if i had my way i could turn a couple of my short stories into into low- budgetdt films if i had the money honestly though i would just like to get greg near guirro's attention because i think either of my ah short story collections would be suitable for a season of the creep show show han shutdder did did everybody get that nico terro me shudder let's go let's do this
01:48:18.44
Dave
and interesting
01:48:25.38
Dave
Well, I spent enough time in Niagara Falls, you know, going to their really cool haunted houses and stuff, but also the museum of people that went over it in a barrel that ah it made me really appreciate your short story.
01:48:46.01
Wednesday Lee Friday
we ah we that was on our list niagara falls was on our list for the honeymoon
01:48:47.08
Dave
is
01:48:50.86
Wednesday Lee Friday
because as a fan of superman too i just wanted something
01:48:54.27
Dave
Oh, boy.
01:48:55.26
Wednesday Lee Friday
garish and ridiculous as as my honeymoon like you know almost ah like i want a satirical honeymoon but we ended up going to chicago you know navy pier that whole thing so
01:49:02.64
Dave
Oh, okay.
01:49:06.73
Wednesday Lee Friday
it was it was good but it is actually now time for the mad lib so i hope that you are ready for this
01:49:13.79
Dave
Okay. I don't know if I am, but I'll try.
01:49:17.00
Wednesday Lee Friday
it is well you're familiar with how this works right i give you some parts of speech and this one actually has a couple of different places in it so let's start with a place
01:49:30.20
Dave
ah place. How many do you need?
01:49:32.15
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah ah looks like i need least three three different places
01:49:38.54
Dave
Three places. Okay. Salem, London, Barbados.
01:49:50.21
Wednesday Lee Friday
up looks like i need one more
01:49:53.88
Dave
Ah, so Barbados, uh, Fiji.
01:50:02.04
Wednesday Lee Friday
okay i need three adjectives
01:50:07.19
Dave
You need three adjectives.
01:50:11.11
Wednesday Lee Friday
so far there might be more later
01:50:11.71
Dave
Um, okay. Smooth, generous, kind.
01:50:23.28
Wednesday Lee Friday
okay and a plural i need actually two plural now no four for plural la
01:50:31.41
Dave
Four plural nouns.
01:50:32.66
Wednesday Lee Friday
ye
01:50:33.35
Dave
Um, screenplays. Sharks, video games, theaters,
01:50:45.54
Wednesday Lee Friday
okay and i need a singular now
01:50:53.21
Wednesday Lee Friday
actually a better good
01:50:53.69
Dave
a singular note, sword, Cape wand.
01:50:54.90
Wednesday Lee Friday
three singular nouns
01:51:09.52
Wednesday Lee Friday
okay i need a number
01:51:19.29
Wednesday Lee Friday
right i need another adjective actually two more two more adjectives
01:51:27.23
Dave
Okay.
01:51:29.94
Dave
Uh, you need two more adjectives. Let me see.
01:51:33.11
Wednesday Lee Friday
yep
01:51:35.03
Dave
Um, hot chili.
01:51:37.70
Wednesday Lee Friday
okay chilley and but see one more plural noun
01:51:47.58
Dave
You need one more plural noun.
01:51:49.28
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah
01:51:50.24
Dave
Um, okay. Uh, roads.
01:51:56.23
Wednesday Lee Friday
all right and an adverb there's also a person in room here but that's always the guess so i put you and yep just ah wait there was another plural noun hiding i need one more gosh there's a jillion
01:52:11.44
Dave
They need another plural noun.
01:52:12.92
Wednesday Lee Friday
yes and then i ah made an adverb
01:52:13.56
Dave
um
01:52:17.32
Dave
Okay. ah
01:52:20.89
Dave
I'm just, I'm overthinking this. I'm sorry.
01:52:24.01
Wednesday Lee Friday
writers always do
01:52:27.24
Dave
Yeah. You need another plural amount. I said screenplay sharks, video games, theaters. ah What did I say? Roads. ah Windows. Windows.
01:52:39.73
Wednesday Lee Friday
windows and an adverb
01:52:45.76
Dave
adverb slowly
01:52:49.88
Wednesday Lee Friday
ok that is it so this mad lib is called
01:52:52.91
Dave
wow okay
01:52:54.07
Wednesday Lee Friday
bring training my trip my trip to salem for baseball spring training was move i went with my buddy who is a generous fan just like me on the first day we watched a kind exhibition game between the barbados screenplays and the london
01:53:16.88
Dave
That sounds like a good team, actually. but
01:53:20.52
Wednesday Lee Friday
throughout the entire sword we were on the edge of our video games the next day
01:53:26.42
Dave
yeah
01:53:28.62
Wednesday Lee Friday
we watched the fiji windows hold betting and fielding practice we learned quickly what a hot athlete dave is he hit thirteen home theaters
01:53:42.49
Dave
and
01:53:43.50
Wednesday Lee Friday
not only is he a power hitter but he is also ah chile defensive a chile defensive first one after practice i asked him to autograph one of the roads i had with me
01:53:54.79
Dave
All right.
01:53:58.68
Wednesday Lee Friday
which he did
01:53:59.47
Dave
yeah
01:53:59.95
Wednesday Lee Friday
lowly it is now on display in my room right next to my cape collection
01:54:07.66
Wednesday Lee Friday
nice nice that worked out
01:54:10.51
Dave
Yeah, it's not the thing about the Cape collection. I think this is somebody we might want to keep our eye on.
01:54:16.57
Wednesday Lee Friday
right if we
01:54:17.85
Dave
but that's that was ah that was That was very fun. like the London Sharks, though. that is there like but that that's That's cool.
01:54:23.97
Wednesday Lee Friday
i know
01:54:27.26
Wednesday Lee Friday
somebody get those brits on the horn we gotta make that happen
01:54:27.79
Dave
i know if it sounds like somebody...
01:54:31.80
Dave
It sounds like maybe somebody who might break your break your arm if you lose your bet on the game. but
01:54:37.34
Wednesday Lee Friday
um right
01:54:40.49
Wednesday Lee Friday
dave man i'm so glad that you could be here and we could do this um i know it it took a few tries
01:54:40.72
Dave
But that's that's a cool... Oh, thank you. so thank you
01:54:46.17
Wednesday Lee Friday
um but yeah and so coming up we are going to have a an audio story from dave which will follow my jiba jabba about the show um and ah yeah we want to remind all our readers and listeners to do find us on coffee that's k o hyphen f i ah we do have a two dollars a month ah subscription level which boy would we love for you to send us two dollars every month that'd be so swell um and
01:55:16.77
Wednesday Lee Friday
yeah so we'll see everybody next week
01:55:22.04
Wednesday Lee Friday
all right cool so
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